Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
Let’s be honest though, many do. Crashing out, falling off a cliff edge, its the standard language for a no deal scenario......
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We need accuracy they should be saying stuff like “ , one of the easiest in human history “ , “ getting out of the Eu can be quick and easy - the U.K. holds most of the cards in the negotiations “ , “to me Brexit is easy “ and “trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of tea “ ,
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Bruce.

The Farage comment was tongue in cheek and was directed mainly at our Belgian friend @Armel who I've been exchanging views with. He would understand where I'm coming from.

As regards voting at the euro elections, two things have changed my view on this since the last elections when I didn't exercise my vote. Firstly, the general reaction in this country to the likes of me who voted to leave. We have been stereotyped, called stupid, racists, uneducated, selfish, ridiculed at the slightest opportunity. This is by no means an exhaustive list. Now there are 2 ways you can react to that kind of treatment. You can give in to it and basically bend over, or you can show resolve and be more determined.

The second matter is that, following the referendum, the remain contingent could have acted in one of two ways. They could have gotten behind the decision to leave, presented a united front and helped the country leave with as good a deal as possible. Or they could fight tooth and nail to reverse the decision. Sadly that appears to have been what the vast majority have done. Helped tremendously by a remain dominant parliament that have also done their best to obstruct proceedings. What I can't understand is why so many voted to invoke article 50 when they clearly had absolutely no intention of carrying it through.

We are now in a position whereby we will undoubtedly get a parliament led long term extension to article 50, and people who want to remain will be congratulating themselves as they see this as another success in the battle to stay in the EU. But in reality, the only thing we know for certain is that it will bring us another 2 years of further uncertainty, both for business's and for the UK economy in general.

I've said in here before, when I voted on Brexit it was a very difficult decision for me. Not anymore. My resolve to leave has multiplied, and it has nothing to do with the EU, who I probably have a lot more respect for than I did before the referendum. It is you Bruce, and people like you in this country who have strengthened my resolve and my determination to leave the EU. The EU general election will be the next step in this. After that it will be either a UK general election or a second referendum.
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Perhaps you need to be a little clearer in your comments as it comes across that you want everything to be deadly serious and connected, until you make a point that people pull you up on then it immediately becomes a 'joke', 'facetious' 'tongue in cheek'
 
Joey66 said:
Again Bruce I don't advocate No deal, but I don't want to remain , but I would never post to another Remainer as a nutter for wanting to remain in the EU when a referendum voted to the UK leave the EU in the highest turn out in a vote if it had been a GE Bruce it would have been a Landslide election win for a political party.....
You still do not react about your actions as a moderator on this GOT or this thread as It's not the first time as @Old Blue 2 pointed out, or as myself when you lost it , and called me an idiot........
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Not a nutter then @Joey66
 
Harryflashman said:
We need accuracy they should be saying stuff like “ , one of the easiest in human history “ , “ getting out of the Eu can be quick and easy - the U.K. holds most of the cards in the negotiations “ , “to me Brexit is easy “ and “trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of tea “ ,
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I think that people were mixing up a trade agreement with a withdrawal agreement, we need both and have only negotiated one.....
 
peteblue said:
I think that people were mixing up a trade agreement with a withdrawal agreement, we need both and have only negotiated one.....
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Yes the 'Theresa May Deal' is really only the deal for an agreed exit. When we start trade deals with EU, China, Japan, USA it's all going to hit the fan!

Again the media lazily just saying 'deal'
 
Bruce Wayne said:
No, that's fair enough, I guess the thought of that man representing Britain on any stage is utterly repellent, even joking about it is sad to hear as we both know how possible it actually is to happen.
I am not a supporter of Farage. I have frequently referred to him as an idiot, a joke and a cartoon caricature. I am a supporter of Brexit
I accept that this is quite possibly re-running old arguments, but, whilst not wishing to speak for every remain voter, from my own perspective it feels like a large number of concerns were raised during the campaign that underlined why I (we) thought leaving the EU would be a bad idea. Those concerns were dismissed, which is your right, but they were also dismissed in a 'whadda experts know' kinda way that underlines much of the derision aimed at leave voters.

I doubt anyone of sound mind would bat an eyelid if people said, I don't agree with your (considered) opinion, here is my own (considered) opinion, with the rationale behind why I think this is the way to go. No one at all would mind that I suspect, but that isn't what happened. Instead you had people disagreeing with those whose entire academic or professional lives are involved with understanding their respective area being dismissed by those whose passing acquaintance with it is on LBC or the Daily Politics. The rationale went as far as 'experts are often wrong, who needs experts', with their back of an envelope summations then given equivalence with people who have spent their life engrossed in this stuff.
I have never said any of those things.
To then add salt to the wound, when those back of the envelope summations don't turn out as the advocates had hoped, it is not to themselves that they point the finger, but rather those people who have spent their life studying this stuff who said from the off it would be a rubbish decision. That the utter bewilderment of remain voters is then used as a reason to prop up and reinforce your decision to leave only adds to my personal confusion.
ditto
You've been a very reasoned contributor to this thread, so I'm sure you can appreciate how maddening that is? It feels like you hate us more than you dislike the EU, and this is just a way to stick two fingers up at half the country than it is to actually better the country.
No. In fact it's quite the opposite. Most of the hate I see is from people who want to remain against those who voted to leave rather than the other way around.

I don't hate anybody who hasn't done something to harm me personally. (With the possible exception of Sam Allardyce). What I don't like is the way in which a lot of remain supporters have behaved over the last 2 years as outlined in my previous post. That is not the same as hating the individuals themselves.
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peteblue said:
I think that people were mixing up a trade agreement with a withdrawal agreement, we need both and have only negotiated one.....
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The people ‘mixing things up ‘ and saying how easy it would are also the same people saying how a no deal Brexit is nothing to be frightened of , I mean exactly the same people I quoted , doesn’t that ring even the slightest alarm ?
 

I think to say that stuff hasn’t been thrown both ways would be completely disingenuous. Of course stuff has whether it’s repeated use of words like loser or remoaner to a lot more . I don’t want to search and list but if you’d like I will . It’s an emotive subject . I like to think I try to always be polite because that’s how think we should be but I’ve certainly written and deleted posts because I was about to lose it or go on a rant . There are more remainers on here , which for various geographical and sociopolitical reasons is to be expected despite that itself being an issue for debate on occasion I see no reason to apologise for that .

The frustration runs throughout the thread , I can understand it . I myself have had to repeat my stance on various issues maybe more than a dozen times , we all have to get on with it I suppose and the best way to maintain a healthy discussion is to continue to discuss it rather than start kicking off .
 
davmaher said:
As Charles Dickens might have said:
"It is the best of threads, it is the worst of threads, it is the thread of wisdom, it is the thread of foolishness, it is the thread of belief, it is the thread of incredulity, it is the thread of light, it is the thread of darkness, it is the thread of hope, it is the thread of despair."
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Perhaps :
"Time, consoler of affliction and softener of anger" , (Dombey and Son).
 
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