Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Bruce.

The Farage comment was tongue in cheek and was directed mainly at our Belgian friend @Armel who I've been exchanging views with. He would understand where I'm coming from.

As regards voting at the euro elections, two things have changed my view on this since the last elections when I didn't exercise my vote. Firstly, the general reaction in this country to the likes of me who voted to leave. We have been stereotyped, called stupid, racists, uneducated, selfish, ridiculed at the slightest opportunity. This is by no means an exhaustive list. Now there are 2 ways you can react to that kind of treatment. You can give in to it and basically bend over, or you can show resolve and be more determined.

The second matter is that, following the referendum, the remain contingent could have acted in one of two ways. They could have gotten behind the decision to leave, presented a united front and helped the country leave with as good a deal as possible. Or they could fight tooth and nail to reverse the decision. Sadly that appears to have been what the vast majority have done. Helped tremendously by a remain dominant parliament that have also done their best to obstruct proceedings. What I can't understand is why so many voted to invoke article 50 when they clearly had absolutely no intention of carrying it through.

We are now in a position whereby we will undoubtedly get a parliament led long term extension to article 50, and people who want to remain will be congratulating themselves as they see this as another success in the battle to stay in the EU. But in reality, the only thing we know for certain is that it will bring us another 2 years of further uncertainty, both for business's and for the UK economy in general.

I've said in here before, when I voted on Brexit it was a very difficult decision for me. Not anymore. My resolve to leave has multiplied, and it has nothing to do with the EU, who I probably have a lot more respect for than I did before the referendum. It is you Bruce, and people like you in this country who have strengthened my resolve and my determination to leave the EU. The EU general election will be the next step in this. After that it will be either a UK general election or a second referendum.

No, that's fair enough, I guess the thought of that man representing Britain on any stage is utterly repellent, even joking about it is sad to hear as we both know how possible it actually is to happen.

I accept that this is quite possibly re-running old arguments, but, whilst not wishing to speak for every remain voter, from my own perspective it feels like a large number of concerns were raised during the campaign that underlined why I (we) thought leaving the EU would be a bad idea. Those concerns were dismissed, which is your right, but they were also dismissed in a 'whadda experts know' kinda way that underlines much of the derision aimed at leave voters.

I doubt anyone of sound mind would bat an eyelid if people said, I don't agree with your (considered) opinion, here is my own (considered) opinion, with the rationale behind why I think this is the way to go. No one at all would mind that I suspect, but that isn't what happened. Instead you had people disagreeing with those whose entire academic or professional lives are involved with understanding their respective area being dismissed by those whose passing acquaintance with it is on LBC or the Daily Politics. The rationale went as far as 'experts are often wrong, who needs experts', with their back of an envelope summations then given equivalence with people who have spent their life engrossed in this stuff.

To then add salt to the wound, when those back of the envelope summations don't turn out as the advocates had hoped, it is not to themselves that they point the finger, but rather those people who have spent their life studying this stuff who said from the off it would be a rubbish decision. That the utter bewilderment of remain voters is then used as a reason to prop up and reinforce your decision to leave only adds to my personal confusion.

You've been a very reasoned contributor to this thread, so I'm sure you can appreciate how maddening that is? It feels like you hate us more than you dislike the EU, and this is just a way to stick two fingers up at half the country than it is to actually better the country.
 
Bruce you sent me a nice e mail of an apology over another issue - I did respond by hinting as a Mod on this thread you must show more impartiality on this thread, calling people idiots - nutters - @Old Blue 2 is quite correct that any other poster would be warned by a Moderator - Just because you reckon you are a lot smarter than anyone who wants no deal or anything against your viewpoint it's just no excuse - the referendum over two years ago your view of Brexit lost by 1.5 million votes - Are they all nutters or idiots - no Bruce it's democrocy unfortunately 75% of parliment are remainers like yourself ......
I am not advocating that the Brexit negotiations have been perfect far from it - but that's what happens when remainers negotiated the deal ... and that's where we are atm.....
This thread was closed down a good while ago for far less its turning Blues against Blues......

I think people who advocate for no deal are nuts, yes, and I have no qualms about saying so, given the tremendous damage such a scenario will do to the people of this country. This is like Mark Francois getting offended whilst he has his boot on someone's neck. Cry me a river.
 
Not sure if this the worst or best thread on GOT....lol
As Charles Dickens might have said:
"It is the best of threads, it is the worst of threads, it is the thread of wisdom, it is the thread of foolishness, it is the thread of belief, it is the thread of incredulity, it is the thread of light, it is the thread of darkness, it is the thread of hope, it is the thread of despair."
 
I think people who advocate for no deal are nuts, yes, and I have no qualms about saying so, given the tremendous damage such a scenario will do to the people of this country. This is like Mark Francois getting offended whilst he has his boot on someone's neck. Cry me a river.
Again Bruce I don't advocate No deal, but I don't want to remain , but I would never post to another Remainer as a nutter for wanting to remain in the EU when a referendum voted to the UK leave the EU in the highest turn out in a vote if it had been a GE Bruce it would have been a Landslide election win for a political party.....
You still do not react about your actions as a moderator on this GOT or this thread as It's not the first time as @Old Blue 2 pointed out, or as myself when you lost it , and called me an idiot........
 
There's some sensitive souls here

I've seen plenty of winding up and petty insults from both sides of the argument in this thread, yet, it's the leavers who are crying and reporting people.

Get a life, it's absolutely pathetic. People here aren't your family or your friends, they're strangers on the internet.
 
Again Bruce I don't advocate No deal, but I don't want to remain , but I would never post to another Remainer as a nutter for wanting to remain in the EU when a referendum voted to the UK leave the EU in the highest turn out in a vote if it had been a GE Bruce it would have been a Landslide election win for a political party.....
You still do not react about your actions as a moderator on this GOT or this thread as It's not the first time as @Old Blue 2 pointed out, or as myself when you lost it , and called me an idiot........

So you advocating a policy that will cost me several grand in lost income, and chuckling away at the extra cost we'll incur to see my family is the height of sensitivity, yet suggesting leaving without a deal is nuts is the worst thing in the world. Right-o Joe.
 
So you advocating a policy that will cost me several grand in lost income, and chuckling away at the extra cost we'll incur to see my family is the height of sensitivity, yet suggesting leaving without a deal is nuts is the worst thing in the world. Right-o Joe.
Weigh it up between that and how much a Corbyn government will cost you. Because those are your choices, and no deal still might not s be enough to save the tories.
 
So you advocating a policy that will cost me several grand in lost income, and chuckling away at the extra cost we'll incur to see my family is the height of sensitivity, yet suggesting leaving without a deal is nuts is the worst thing in the world. Right-o Joe.
No this thread is not personal- it's about a democracy Bruce ......
Yes it's up for debate but a mod hurling insults - is that really necessary?
 
Mods defending this Mod as usual: "Unfortunately, your recent report was rejected ".

The only thing surprising is that you are surprised I reported you for insulting me.

"...You spent your life working in the job centre, or that broad area..." Can't get that right.

"...trite song lyrics suggesting things aren't so bad..." Can't get that right. Go back and listen to the songs I have posted in jest. You do know what the word 'jest' means, don't you?

"...we survived a war you know..." I've never said that. In fact, I have studiously avoided posting that kind of thing. Others have done so, however.

"...You clearly don't give a damn about those concerned about the fallout from Brexit..." You cannot possibly state this, because you do not know the first thing about my views on others. I respect the fact that others have different views regarding the EU, and have different views regarding leaving the EU, but I have no respect for those who have continually insulted those who voted Leave in this thread with cheap jibes and insults, such as 'racists', bigots', 'Little Englanders' and other insults, including your latest 'nutters'.

You are a disgrace, mate, and should be ashamed of yourself...

as someone who has resorted to personally insulting @Bruce Wayne repeatedly, with flair, elan, and panache, might I advise not attempting to dish it unless you can take it in return?

i love how we're all meant to channel the blitz, keep a stiff upper lip (like when men were men), and rise like an intrepid phoenix from the self-induced ashes of a No Deal hellscape, boldly ignoring the naysayers and reclaiming our Finest Hour - yet we can't even handle mild implied criticism on the internet from strangers without throwing our toys out of the pram and attempting to call the cops
 
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