Bruce.
The Farage comment was tongue in cheek and was directed mainly at our Belgian friend @Armel who I've been exchanging views with. He would understand where I'm coming from.
As regards voting at the euro elections, two things have changed my view on this since the last elections when I didn't exercise my vote. Firstly, the general reaction in this country to the likes of me who voted to leave. We have been stereotyped, called stupid, racists, uneducated, selfish, ridiculed at the slightest opportunity. This is by no means an exhaustive list. Now there are 2 ways you can react to that kind of treatment. You can give in to it and basically bend over, or you can show resolve and be more determined.
The second matter is that, following the referendum, the remain contingent could have acted in one of two ways. They could have gotten behind the decision to leave, presented a united front and helped the country leave with as good a deal as possible. Or they could fight tooth and nail to reverse the decision. Sadly that appears to have been what the vast majority have done. Helped tremendously by a remain dominant parliament that have also done their best to obstruct proceedings. What I can't understand is why so many voted to invoke article 50 when they clearly had absolutely no intention of carrying it through.
We are now in a position whereby we will undoubtedly get a parliament led long term extension to article 50, and people who want to remain will be congratulating themselves as they see this as another success in the battle to stay in the EU. But in reality, the only thing we know for certain is that it will bring us another 2 years of further uncertainty, both for business's and for the UK economy in general.
I've said in here before, when I voted on Brexit it was a very difficult decision for me. Not anymore. My resolve to leave has multiplied, and it has nothing to do with the EU, who I probably have a lot more respect for than I did before the referendum. It is you Bruce, and people like you in this country who have strengthened my resolve and my determination to leave the EU. The EU general election will be the next step in this. After that it will be either a UK general election or a second referendum.
No, that's fair enough, I guess the thought of that man representing Britain on any stage is utterly repellent, even joking about it is sad to hear as we both know how possible it actually is to happen.
I accept that this is quite possibly re-running old arguments, but, whilst not wishing to speak for every remain voter, from my own perspective it feels like a large number of concerns were raised during the campaign that underlined why I (we) thought leaving the EU would be a bad idea. Those concerns were dismissed, which is your right, but they were also dismissed in a 'whadda experts know' kinda way that underlines much of the derision aimed at leave voters.
I doubt anyone of sound mind would bat an eyelid if people said, I don't agree with your (considered) opinion, here is my own (considered) opinion, with the rationale behind why I think this is the way to go. No one at all would mind that I suspect, but that isn't what happened. Instead you had people disagreeing with those whose entire academic or professional lives are involved with understanding their respective area being dismissed by those whose passing acquaintance with it is on LBC or the Daily Politics. The rationale went as far as 'experts are often wrong, who needs experts', with their back of an envelope summations then given equivalence with people who have spent their life engrossed in this stuff.
To then add salt to the wound, when those back of the envelope summations don't turn out as the advocates had hoped, it is not to themselves that they point the finger, but rather those people who have spent their life studying this stuff who said from the off it would be a rubbish decision. That the utter bewilderment of remain voters is then used as a reason to prop up and reinforce your decision to leave only adds to my personal confusion.
You've been a very reasoned contributor to this thread, so I'm sure you can appreciate how maddening that is? It feels like you hate us more than you dislike the EU, and this is just a way to stick two fingers up at half the country than it is to actually better the country.