Current Affairs EU In or Out

[hullefc]

He is calling up radio stations in New Zealand trying to grease them up for a trade deal
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11664618

Mr Farage, who pressured the UK Government to hold a referendum on EU membership and was a leading figure in the Leave campaign, said: "What is even more exciting for me is what we can do with you guys. And I apologise to everybody in New Zealand for what my parents' generation did - we turned our backs on you."

The UK has a trade deal with New Zealand.

 

[hullefc]

Nobody is claiming that the UK does not need to import any goods.

A weaker pound makes foreign goods more expensive here, hence leading British consumers to purchase fewer imports and encouraging them to instead turn to buying more domestically-produced goods, hence increasing domestic aggregate demand, and thus lowering unemployment, etc.

This is why Martin Wolf wrote that the fall in sterling "might cushion the effect [of Brexit] on output, at least in the medium term."

A fall in the value of a currency is not always and automatically a bad thing.

What happens when a country devalues and makes their goods cheaper is that other countries do the same, to try and make their goods cheaper. This currency trade war was the main reason for the establishment of the Euro, instigated by Germany due to their strong trade.

 

[evilwebby]

Cheaper GBP makes us more competitive and helps exporters.. oh, except we long ago stopped making anything anyone wants to buy dodgy leveraged timebombs that nobody really understands, and the odd crappy reality TV franchise.

 

[orchard]

As an aside, there are factors which may cause something that may be mistaken for Nationalism.
Whilst i'm all for the Socratic citizen of the World ethos, but, such an approach carries responsibilities to the forementioned World and it's inhabitants that 'Globalisation' frequently fails to honour, as it often defecates in someone else's backyard then moves on. The Earth requires custodianship, and ironically, the 'Citizen's of the World' refuse to contribute.

When would you consider nationalism to be a good thing? Not having a go. Just out of interest. For me it contributes to creating a tribal culture of in groups and out groups and is an archaic concept.

 

[Seanjd]

This country is sick of experts.

Surely the worst quote to come out of a top MP?

Nice one, Gove.

 

[orchard]

This country is sick of professionals.

Surely the worst quote to come out of a top MP?

Quite illuminating really mate. We've the national-socialism of telling citizen's what they think, coupled with an admission that Government have been disregarding expert advice time and time again when it conflicts with their personal interests.

 

[Seanjd]

Quite illuminating really mate. We've the national-socialism of telling citizen's what they think, coupled with an admission that Government have been disregarding expert advice time and time again when it conflicts with their personal interests.

It's incredible mate. "I'm not asking people to trust me, I'm asking people to trust themselves. People are sick of experts."

The most cowardice politics I've ever witnessed. All of the prominent leave politicians are doing the same thing. Washing their hands of the promises and responsibilities they teased the public with during the campaign.

 

[orchard]

They're bankrupt and will try to use the referendum as a mandate to pursue the ideology that mainly caused this, delivering nothing but spin imo...

It's incredible mate. "I'm not asking people to trust me, I'm asking people to trust themselves. People are sick of experts."

The most cowardice politics I've ever witnessed. All of the prominent leave politicians are doing the same thing. Washing their hands of the promises and responsibilities they teased the public with during the campaign.

 

[magicjuan]

It's incredible mate. "I'm not asking people to trust me, I'm asking people to trust themselves. People are sick of experts."

The most cowardice politics I've ever witnessed. All of the prominent leave politicians are doing the same thing. Washing their hands of the promises and responsibilities they teased the public with during the campaign.

The essence of that is true. There is far too much of the 'we know better' from detached politicians on all sides.

Had people voted on their experiences instead of headlines you would see a minority complaining about immigration. As it was the entire agenda was set around an us v them scenario which gave bigotry a platform.

Even now the media are being extremely selective in picking interviews.

The reality of the situation is that very few politicians are acting with a backbone, the coup in labour is testament to that as is the backtracking and obfuscation from the likes of Gove etc

 

[AndyC]

When people talk about 'social cohesion'.

Where do you think that comes from?

Your view is the same as Juncker's.

However, not everyone agrees with him - which has resulted in what has happened.

Why should the UK be dictated to by the ex PM of a country of less than half a million people?


I'm saying Juncker messed it up big time. He was too focused on his own agenda.

I'm currently in Paris and talking with some French people just last night, they too are far, far from happy with Juncker. They think he is poisonous.

 

[Seanjd]

The essence of that is true. There is far too much of the 'we know better' from detached politicians on all sides.

Had people voted on their experiences instead of headlines you would see a minority complaining about immigration. As it was the entire agenda was set around an us v them scenario which gave bigotry a platform.

Even now the media are being extremely selective in picking interviews.

The reality of the situation is that very few politicians are acting with a backbone, the coup in labour is testament to that as is the backtracking and obfuscation from the likes of Gove etc

These are some of the people who hold the greatest power to change inform or change people's opinion in this country. They had a duty and a responsibility to treat issues like immigration with sensitivity and care. I don't think the likes of Gove, Boris and Cameron are actually racist, or anti immigration for that matter, but they know it is such a powerful political tool to gain on people's fears. So to have these people as our representatives, somebody who would use such a divisive issue for personal gain without any regard of the consequences, sums up the position we find ourselves in now. We are represented by people who could never represent normal people in this country - but they know how to use them.

 

[Seanjd]

The essence of that is true. There is far too much of the 'we know better' from detached politicians on all sides.

Had people voted on their experiences instead of headlines you would see a minority complaining about immigration. As it was the entire agenda was set around an us v them scenario which gave bigotry a platform.

Even now the media are being extremely selective in picking interviews.

The reality of the situation is that very few politicians are acting with a backbone, the coup in labour is testament to that as is the backtracking and obfuscation from the likes of Gove etc

Here we go. More politicians without a backbone;

"It was not our responsibility to have a plan for leaving the EU." - George Osborne

But hang on, are you like, the government?

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

Here we go. More politicians without a backbone;

"It was not our responsibility to have a plan for leaving the EU." - George Osborne

But hang on, are you like, the government?

If Cameron had had the balls to make the campaign a matter of collective ministerial responsibility, then Osborne would (arguably) be right. However he didn't because he knew it would cause resignations and a backbench rebellion, and it's clear that no-one actually has a plan. That's why the Labour coup is a complete farce, the country needs a united opposition to challenge the government now, not one descending into infighting and a second leadership election in less than a year.

 

[magicjuan]

If Cameron had had the balls to make the campaign a matter of collective ministerial responsibility, then Osborne would (arguably) be right. However he didn't because he knew it would cause resignations and a backbench rebellion, and it's clear that no-one actually has a plan. That's why the Labour coup is a complete farce, the country needs a united opposition to challenge the government now, not one descending into infighting and a second leadership election in less than a year.

This isn't an accidental coup, it's been planned, just that the spineless gimps think that brexit can be used as an excuse/reason to oust Corbyn. Careerist and self promoting. It would benefit the country enormously if they were deselected.

 

[Lee Smith]

The more I read about Article 50 and the timeframes attached to it, the more I think that the EU will actually be on its arse before anything is concluded. I can sense a huge ground swell from the right within mainland Europe and can see there being seismic political shifts across the continent in the coming months and years. I can see things getting very turbulent, not just for us but for all EU member states, and have no idea how things are going to pan out