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I find it amazing that the people you blame here are the EU , they gave us the backstop which was asked for , they’ll give us an extention . They’ve negotiated, the easiest deal in history . and this is where we are . Those to blame are apparently the EU and remainers who’ve undermined it .
If they gave us the backstop then why won't they take it off the table?, If you give me a rolex for my birthday and I say you know what, I don't want it mate you can have it back, would you take it back?

The EU will not remove the backstop because they know the deal will be done and we'll leave, which from day one is not what they want to happen.
 
.....AND we had "all the cards."
They only real major card we had was the trade deficit is vastly in the favour of the EU, so it is in the EU's best interests to make trade as free and without extra tariff as we have now when we do leave.

But that card is the biggest in the room by some distance.
 
If they gave us the backstop then why won't they take it off the table?, If you give me a rolex for my birthday and I say you know what, I don't want it mate you can have it back, would you take it back?

The EU will not remove the backstop because they know the deal will be done and we'll leave, which from day one is not what they want to happen.

Its a completely spurious analogy though , it can’t simply be taken off can it ? The backstop has to be replaced by something . You cannot ignore the Irish border so replace it with something but we haven’t got a suggestion .

So we have all have a problem , they provude a solution we say no good and we want this solution so they say ok . We then say we actually don’t want that solution and they say what’s the new one and we say there isn’t one . What’s your idea for how to solve the border ? Because the backstop is a problem that needs to be sorted and please don’t tell me technology because we both know that’s even more ridiculous than tire Rolex analogy .
 
They only real major card we had was the trade deficit is vastly in the favour of the EU, so it is in the EU's best interests to make trade as free and without extra tariff as we have now when we do leave.

But that card is the biggest in the room by some distance.
I was only repeating what we were told by David Davis in the days after the referendum result.
 
We'll be alright lad, don't buy into the project fear, we will still trade freely with the EU, and if that is the case, in the future we will be free to prosper.


You might not buy into it but I for one am not prepared to play chicken with my my children and grandchildren’s future on some vague notion that a fellow on the internet parrots the old “project fear” cliche.

Sorry :)
 
Thing that has struck me is how short term remainers are and leavers think leave long term


Well I tend to take the short term view because no leaver has ever indicated how “long” this “long term” might be,

Because they don’t have a clue how long...or short....the long term is.

Me?

I take the view that in the “long term” we will all be dead.

Ergo I prefer to deal in the reality of lif life today :)
 
I presume this is why we’ve proper had them by the balls the last 2 years ?
May and her cronies have been the worst negotiating team in the history of all negotiating teams, been beyond weak, just embarrassing really.

Look at the way Trump has got the Chinese government crapping themselves by increasing tariffs on imports due to the trade deficit between the countries being in China's favour, we should have taken a similar tone with the EU.

The government announced two weeks ago some changes to tariffs on EU imports in the event of a no deal, that is the first shot across the EU's bow they have played in this entire period, too little, too late.
 
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May and her cronies have been the worst negotiating team in the history of all negotiating teams, been beyond weak, just embarrassing really.

Look at the way Trump has got Chinese government crapping themselves by increasing tariffs on imports due to the trade deficit between the countries in China's favour, we should have taken a similar tone with the EU.

The government announced two weeks ago some changes to tariffs to EU imports in the event of a no deal, that is the first shot across the EU's bow they have played in this entire period, too little, too late.

So I presume you really can’t stand David Davis and Dominic Raab ? You must really have a real issue with them as it was specifically their job .
 
I've just shown you the leverage we had with what Trump has done with China, we have been inept in our negotiations that is clear.
Except we don't have the same leverage at all. A lot of the stuff we import can't be replicated as easily or cheaply by trading with other countries as for example, US tariffs on agricultural machinery boosts its own company's competitiveness. Us putting tariffs on the same for the EU would see farmers having to pay more (because we don't have the present manufacturing capacity to fill this void) which in turn results in higher food prices as the cost of production goes up. In all but a few cases we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot by imposing tariffs.
 
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