Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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I'm shocked that they haven't yet blamed the EU.



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I might be wrong but I don't remember any Brit holding down one of the most senior positions in the EU government/parliament.

There were plenty mate; out of the top of my head, so there are probably plenty more: Roy Jenkins (former president of the EU commission), Ashton (she didn't do well), Kinnock (former vice president)... The British commissioners usually have pretty important competences too. Sometimes border-lining on the ridiculous, remember Jonathan Hill, former EU commissioner for financial services/capital markets/and the banking union. Hailing from a country that was not part of the Eurozone/banking Union, a former lobbyist and he had issues with the European rules against short-selling and limiting bonuses for bankers. His confirmation hearing was somewhat a disaster (well not as bad as Buttiglione who decided to tell the entire parliament - during his confirmation hearing- that homosexuality is a sin; they had to remove him). I could go on really.

Take the procedure to appoint the president of the EU commission, quite democratic really it's a compromise most of the time- with main candidates etc. A bit like Eurovision. If you want to win, you're best to be in the good graces of the French-German axle (although everybody can somewhat veto a candidate). E.g: 1994: Lubbers and Dehaene. The Dutchman wasn't a big fan of German unification, so Germans vetoed him. Dehaene (Belgian), was a shoe-in. He received support from every member state, except the U.K . John Major at the time had an issue with Dehaene since he was a pro-European and that was problematic since the conservatives weren't doing very well at the polls and supporting a pro-EU candidate wouldn't have helped. As a result we got Santer, a colourless figure without a clear vision. Dehaene would have easily won a parliamentary vote btw.

Another one 2004; Verhofstadt was the frontrunner, again would have won the parliamentary vote (the procedure had changed a bit back then, but doesn't really matter; principles largely the same, still is tbf - you have the Spitzencandidates etc but doesn't make a real difference- they preferred an unanimous result even though strictly speaking wasn't necessary). Vetoed by Blair (and later on the EPP- for different reasons though, they want somebody from their own party), because Verhofstadt being too pro-European (I think it was the same year that his book about a federalist Europe came out, can be wrong though). Oh and also because Belgium was against the war in Iraq, just like Schröder and Chirac at the time - this wasn't acceptable for him (his war worked out brilliantly though...). Afterwards Blair asked for support for his candidate Chris Patten, I think you can imagine how that turned out. Or again; why should a country that has a habit of making the decision making process of the E.U quite difficult/opts out in a large number of areas proof to be a popular choice for some of the more senior positions ?

And now you have a situation of Blair wanting to overturn the result. At the time he was quite bullish about his achievement about the right to veto foreign policy, social security and matters concerning taxation (probably forgotten a few other things) - along with his agenda that too much unity on the continent is not good for London. I don't like him. I'm sick of the Brexitization of European politics. To quote Michel: I'm sick to death of the bad soap opera that is Brexit. Has to end.
 
Was it sticking it to the elites by marching along South Shields in the pissing rain with a former commodities broker to take back control of our sovereignty from the EU?

You forgot the best bit - paying said former commodities broker to partake in this walk while he doesn't walk.

 
You forgot the best bit - paying said former commodities broker to partake in this walk while he doesn't walk.

"Although several lengthy sections of the route will be missed out, with walkers bussed up to 30 miles from the end of one day's walk to the start of the next "

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I’m glad all the Remainers are enjoying themselves. They will never understand what Brexit is about......
To be honest, watching from afar, I really don’t understand what it was about. I do see all the rhetoric from both sides of course but haven’t really understood the real reasons people voted the way they did as all the noise around trivial matters seems to be drowning out the real reasons.
Any chance you could provide a brief list of the top 3 or 4 reasons for Brexit?
 
To be honest, watching from afar, I really don’t understand what it was about. I do see all the rhetoric from both sides of course but haven’
t really understood the real reasons people voted the way they did as all the noise around trivial matters seems to be drowning out the real reasons.
Any chance you could provide a brief list of the top 3 or 4 reasons for Brexit?

There are many reasons, some more valid than others, but to my mind, the biggest reason is that for many years, newspapers, mostly owned by foreigners or tax exiles, have constantly rubbished the EU and blamed it for most of society's ills. The Express, Sun, Telegraph, Mail have been peddling anti-EU messages at every opportunity for years, using a mixture of truth, falsehoods, exaggerations and misunderstanding. This obviously has an effect.

On top of that, many people are concerned about the high level of immigration into the UK, wrongly believing that this is under the control of the EU, rather than the UK government.
 
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