Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Out of interest, is there anything that would change your mind are you pretty fixed? If the former, what would it take?
My initial response was to say I'm pretty fixed. But I've given it some extra thought.

The issue for me is how can we bring the country back together again. I'm 58 and have never seen us so divided, and it transcends political parties, social groups, the workplace, even families. The referendum was partly to blame but I feel this only expedited the inevitable and we eventually would have get to this position at some stage.

For whatever reason a large portion of the electorate feel disengaged from the EU. We need to get to the root of why that is. There are probably a number of reasons but, having already been chastised once, I don't really want to speculate too much (ha, just had the winner in the Gold cuplol) on what my fellow Brexit voters are thinking. And you can argue that a lot of it is whipped up by the UK press, but there is no smoke without fire, and there must be underlying issues for them to pickup on.

These Brits need to be re-engaged with the EU if this is to change. I don't know how you would go about it. But you look at the financials and we pay in roughly 15% of the EU budget. We get around only a third of this back in subsidies/grants, employ only about 4% of the UN workforce with only about 1% employed in the UK. I might be wrong but I don't remember any Brit holding down one of the most senior positions in the EU government/parliament. We here a lot about fishing quotas and farming subsidies and it's all negative. Yes there are many benefits of being in the EU but most of these are intangibles and difficult to measure, things we won't notice aren't there until we've actually gone.

That's the problem that the EU has to overcome. The problem for me is I don't think they are particularly bothered. I've said before I think they are fed up with us and some now actually want us to leave. But they still want to have a close relationship with us afterwards. Which is why I see the way forward as leave, but with a deal. I don't think they are out to do us as they want a good trade deal as much as we do.
 
Is your nanny able to write coherent sentences and is she available for commissions? Asking for a friend.

If you`re trying to match make for @Joey66 , I`m duty bound to inform you that he`s a happily married man.

However if you can find him a nice young lady with NVQ`s in car mechanics, general building work, horticulture and hoover repairs he may be interested ?
 
Oh I just want a civil debate, I don't like the arrogance & sarcasm of Remainers.

Stop picking and choosing when you want a sensible debate and when you want to play to the gallery.
What have I said there that I haven't said directly to you and others numerous times in here. It's absolutely true. Maybe not with you specifically but we've also had that conversation before too.

I come in here, not looking to get you or other remainers to change your mind. You want to remain for a reason and I totally respect that. All I ask is that I also have my reasons for wanting to leave and want you to respect that in return. But every single one of you who has engaged me has challenged me and then to some degree tried to educate me. Every single one of you. Apart from one poster who kindly pointed out that somebody liking my posts was actually just wumming with me. You even liked a post today of somebody who said I must be wrong even though he openly admitted he couldn't be arsed reading my posts.

As regards playing to the galleries, yeah ok. Great sense doing that in a thread where the said gallery represents probably less than 5% of the regular posters. No, playing to the gallery is when you made that post about me voting leave because my wife told me to. Got yourself a few laughs there didn't you.
 
I come in here, not looking to get you or other remainers to change your mind. You want to remain for a reason and I totally respect that. All I ask is that I also have my reasons for wanting to leave and want you to respect that in return. But every single one of you who has engaged me has challenged me and then to some degree tried to educate me.

What is wrong with challenging your reasons for leaving? The way that any challenges, usually based on facts, and not the wild rhetoric of Boris, Farage et al are generally dismissed as Project Fear, or just ignored, is one of the reasons I post less frequently.

I totally respect anyone's decision, but I also think it is perfectly respectful to politely challenge said reason(s).
 
If you`re trying to match make for @Joey66 , I`m duty bound to inform you that he`s a happily married man.

However if you can find him a nice young lady with NVQ`s in car mechanics, general building work, horticulture and hoover repairs he may be interested ?

Sincere man hopes to forge open and honest relationship with woman who respects Old people
Peter Parker once said 'You don't trust anyone, that's your problem.' But you can trust me.

Good day ladies!

I'm a coherent sort of gentleman, who likes nothing more than gardening with the right woman.

The first thing people usually notice about me is my smart personality, closely followed by my smashing finger nails. I am not one of those fake people who pretends not to notice their own qualities. My finger nails are top notch. These gems of honesty are just part of the coherent person I am.

I work as a Gardener and part-time Brexit negotiator, helping Nigel Farage. This allows me to exercise my skills: Reading and Writing. I would like to tell you about the time I met Gregor Mendel, which is true, but it's important to me that you know I'm honest, so I'll save the wilder parts of my life for another time.

My life goals include:
Use a spider web as a parachute
Become the best Gardener and part-time Brexit negotiator I can be
Help all the lifelong socialists in the world
If you're the right woman for me, you'll be Good at writing and Can repair hoovers. You won't be afraid to Leave the EU and will have a healthy respect for Old people.

My ideal date would involve Googling in Brussels with an Theresa May lookalike by my side. While we're there, I compliment your OUT Breasts.

Honesty and openness are the most important qualities in a relationship. I will be honest with you, if you will be honest with me. In the spirit of openness and honesty, I think it's only fair to tell you that I'm looking for an open relationship. I will never lie to you about my other lovers. In fact, I'll start now to show you how sincere I am. Last week, I had a very sensuous encounter with a most luscious nanny from Inverness. These are the kind of truths I will tell you if we enter into a relationship.

Go web! Fly! Up, up, and away web! Shazaam! Go! Go! Go web go! Tally ho.

I urge you, get in touch

Joey66
 
My initial response was to say I'm pretty fixed. But I've given it some extra thought.

The issue for me is how can we bring the country back together again. I'm 58 and have never seen us so divided, and it transcends political parties, social groups, the workplace, even families. The referendum was partly to blame but I feel this only expedited the inevitable and we eventually would have get to this position at some stage.

For whatever reason a large portion of the electorate feel disengaged from the EU. We need to get to the root of why that is. There are probably a number of reasons but, having already been chastised once, I don't really want to speculate too much (ha, just had the winner in the Gold cuplol) on what my fellow Brexit voters are thinking. And you can argue that a lot of it is whipped up by the UK press, but there is no smoke without fire, and there must be underlying issues for them to pickup on.

These Brits need to be re-engaged with the EU if this is to change. I don't know how you would go about it. But you look at the financials and we pay in roughly 15% of the EU budget. We get around only a third of this back in subsidies/grants, employ only about 4% of the UN workforce with only about 1% employed in the UK. I might be wrong but I don't remember any Brit holding down one of the most senior positions in the EU government/parliament. We here a lot about fishing quotas and farming subsidies and it's all negative. Yes there are many benefits of being in the EU but most of these are intangibles and difficult to measure, things we won't notice aren't there until we've actually gone.

That's the problem that the EU has to overcome. The problem for me is I don't think they are particularly bothered. I've said before I think they are fed up with us and some now actually want us to leave. But they still want to have a close relationship with us afterwards. Which is why I see the way forward as leave, but with a deal. I don't think they are out to do us as they want a good trade deal as much as we do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Ashton was formerly vice-president of the Commission for a few years. With regards to the profit/loss of EU membership, I suspect looking at it purely in those terms is too narrow a lens. The EU provides a fantastic marketplace, and Britain has benefited enormously from that. I forget the exact figures, but various groups have put the value of single market access at many tens of billions (possibly into the hundreds). If you take Poland as an example of a country who receive quite a bit from the EU directly. Britain might benefit from that because Poles then buy British products, or educated Poles migrate to Britain to work, both of which would be beneficial to us, but would be outside of the direct EU profit/loss calculations.

Regarding fishing and farming, whilst I wouldn't wish to denigrate the fishing community, they contribute as much to the British economy as the independent book industry, and I suspect that few would advocate letting the independent book sector dictate national policy. A bit of perspective is no bad thing.
 
My initial response was to say I'm pretty fixed. But I've given it some extra thought.

The issue for me is how can we bring the country back together again. I'm 58 and have never seen us so divided, and it transcends political parties, social groups, the workplace, even families. The referendum was partly to blame but I feel this only expedited the inevitable and we eventually would have get to this position at some stage.

For whatever reason a large portion of the electorate feel disengaged from the EU. We need to get to the root of why that is. There are probably a number of reasons but, having already been chastised once, I don't really want to speculate too much (ha, just had the winner in the Gold cuplol) on what my fellow Brexit voters are thinking. And you can argue that a lot of it is whipped up by the UK press, but there is no smoke without fire, and there must be underlying issues for them to pickup on.

These Brits need to be re-engaged with the EU if this is to change. I don't know how you would go about it. But you look at the financials and we pay in roughly 15% of the EU budget. We get around only a third of this back in subsidies/grants, employ only about 4% of the UN workforce with only about 1% employed in the UK. I might be wrong but I don't remember any Brit holding down one of the most senior positions in the EU government/parliament. We here a lot about fishing quotas and farming subsidies and it's all negative. Yes there are many benefits of being in the EU but most of these are intangibles and difficult to measure, things we won't notice aren't there until we've actually gone.

That's the problem that the EU has to overcome. The problem for me is I don't think they are particularly bothered. I've said before I think they are fed up with us and some now actually want us to leave. But they still want to have a close relationship with us afterwards. Which is why I see the way forward as leave, but with a deal. I don't think they are out to do us as they want a good trade deal as much as we do.
Politics has become too tribal. Part of that has to be due to Facebook/Twitter echo chambers. Which works the same for the right and the left.

The divisive nature of tabloid headlines doesn’t help either. Especially when many see right through it but others lap it up.
 
As an aside, I spoke recently with the boss of a pretty successful British financial startup about Brexit. I'll paraphrase to a small extent, but he basically said

"This is a company that built a UK startup, which then expanded into Europe and then the rest of the world. From a code perspective, there's no difference between here and the rest of the world. But, depending on what happens, our banking licenses don't passport into Europe, so we've had to setup French and German banking licenses, which the software doesn't support as it was never designed to do so. So, we're ripping apart some of the core systems that power our business."
 
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