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[Joey66]

Sincere man hopes to forge open and honest relationship with woman who respects Old people
Peter Parker once said 'You don't trust anyone, that's your problem.' But you can trust me.

Good day ladies!

I'm a coherent sort of gentleman, who likes nothing more than gardening with the right woman.

The first thing people usually notice about me is my smart personality, closely followed by my smashing finger nails. I am not one of those fake people who pretends not to notice their own qualities. My finger nails are top notch. These gems of honesty are just part of the coherent person I am.

I work as a Gardener and part-time Brexit negotiator, helping Nigel Farage. This allows me to exercise my skills: Reading and Writing. I would like to tell you about the time I met Gregor Mendel, which is true, but it's important to me that you know I'm honest, so I'll save the wilder parts of my life for another time.

My life goals include:
Use a spider web as a parachute
Become the best Gardener and part-time Brexit negotiator I can be
Help all the lifelong socialists in the world
If you're the right woman for me, you'll be Good at writing and Can repair hoovers. You won't be afraid to Leave the EU and will have a healthy respect for Old people.

My ideal date would involve Googling in Brussels with an Theresa May lookalike by my side. While we're there, I compliment your OUT Breasts.

Honesty and openness are the most important qualities in a relationship. I will be honest with you, if you will be honest with me. In the spirit of openness and honesty, I think it's only fair to tell you that I'm looking for an open relationship. I will never lie to you about my other lovers. In fact, I'll start now to show you how sincere I am. Last week, I had a very sensuous encounter with a most luscious nanny from Inverness. These are the kind of truths I will tell you if we enter into a relationship.

Go web! Fly! Up, up, and away web! Shazaam! Go! Go! Go web go! Tally ho.

I urge you, get in touch

Joey66

I would not talk yourself down so much Bruce you must look a right breast on your cycle, and leotard..... lol
also using my name in vain tut tut......a mod as well .....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I would not talk yourself down so much Bruce you must look a right breast on your cycle, and leotard..... lol
also using my name in vain tut tut......a mod as well .....

It's live now Joe. I'll keep you posted if we get any offers for you.

 

[Barnfred 55]

What is wrong with challenging your reasons for leaving? The way that any challenges, usually based on facts, and not the wild rhetoric of Boris, Farage et al are generally dismissed as Project Fear, or just ignored, is one of the reasons I post less frequently.

I totally respect anyone's decision, but I also think it is perfectly respectful to politely challenge said reason(s).

When it happens all the time mate it becomes tiresome. The demographics of this thread mean I'm continually defending myself, quite often against 3 or 4 at the same time. And it isn't always polite either.

Basically, I'm somebody who believes not everything is black and white. That people make their own choices and make them for a reason that suits them. I respect that and ask the same in return. I don't get that in here. What I get is people telling me I'm wrong. Nobody say's fair do's, I disagree with you but you're entitled to your opinion. I'd happily accept that but people aren't saying that.

Bottom line is I don't like people telling me what I should and shouldn't do. I don't particularly mind being challenged, except when it's the same thing over and over. It's having your response summarily dismissed I don't like.

Anyway, it'll probably do my heath better if I stayed out of here for a while. Which is a shame really as we're getting towards the nitty gritty and I was quite looking forward to the deadline day special.

 

[Barnfred 55]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Ashton was formerly vice-president of the Commission for a few years. With regards to the profit/loss of EU membership, I suspect looking at it purely in those terms is too narrow a lens. The EU provides a fantastic marketplace, and Britain has benefited enormously from that. I forget the exact figures, but various groups have put the value of single market access at many tens of billions (possibly into the hundreds). If you take Poland as an example of a country who receive quite a bit from the EU directly. Britain might benefit from that because Poles then buy British products, or educated Poles migrate to Britain to work, both of which would be beneficial to us, but would be outside of the direct EU profit/loss calculations.

Regarding fishing and farming, whilst I wouldn't wish to denigrate the fishing community, they contribute as much to the British economy as the independent book industry, and I suspect that few would advocate letting the independent book sector dictate national policy. A bit of perspective is no bad thing.

That's the reply I expected from you Bruce.

You asked me what would change my mind if anything. I wasn't wanting to enter a debate with you. I'm just saying that the EU need to be more palatable so the current amount disengagement can be removed. Until that happens I can't see the current situation changing whilst we are still part of the EU. All of the above may well be correct, I don't know. But it's all about perception.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That's the reply I expected from you Bruce.

You asked me what would change my mind if anything. I wasn't wanting to enter a debate with you. I'm just saying that the EU need to be more palatable so the current amount disengagement can be removed. Until that happens I can't see the current situation changing whilst we are still part of the EU. All of the above may well be correct, I don't know. But it's all about perception.

Catherine Ashton wasn't an imaginary person, she does actually exist

 

[tim cahill]

When it happens all the time mate it becomes tiresome. The demographics of this thread mean I'm continually defending myself, quite often against 3 or 4 at the same time. And it isn't always polite either.

Basically, I'm somebody who believes not everything is black and white. That people make their own choices and make them for a reason that suits them. I respect that and ask the same in return. I don't get that in here. What I get is people telling me I'm wrong. Nobody say's fair do's, I disagree with you but you're entitled to your opinion. I'd happily accept that but people aren't saying that.

Bottom line is I don't like people telling me what I should and shouldn't do. I don't particularly mind being challenged, except when it's the same thing over and over. It's having your response summarily dismissed I don't like.

Anyway, it'll probably do my heath better if I stayed out of here for a while. Which is a shame really as we're getting towards the nitty gritty and I was quite looking forward to the deadline day special.

After the vote last night I suspect the nitty gritty will be a long time from now. I think there will be a new Tory leader and a general election before we’re through with this.

 

[Old Blue 2]

When it happens all the time mate it becomes tiresome. The demographics of this thread mean I'm continually defending myself, quite often against 3 or 4 at the same time. And it isn't always polite either.

Basically, I'm somebody who believes not everything is black and white. That people make their own choices and make them for a reason that suits them. I respect that and ask the same in return. I don't get that in here. What I get is people telling me I'm wrong. Nobody say's fair do's, I disagree with you but you're entitled to your opinion. I'd happily accept that but people aren't saying that.

Bottom line is I don't like people telling me what I should and shouldn't do. I don't particularly mind being challenged, except when it's the same thing over and over. It's having your response summarily dismissed I don't like.

Anyway, it'll probably do my heath better if I stayed out of here for a while. Which is a shame really as we're getting towards the nitty gritty and I was quite looking forward to the deadline day special.

Come back in on the 29th, mate, and have a look at my photo!

 

[Barnfred 55]

Politics has become too tribal. Part of that has to be due to Facebook/Twitter echo chambers. Which works the same for the right and the left.

The divisive nature of tabloid headlines doesn’t help either. Especially when many see right through it but others lap it up.

Agree 100%.

The problem is, people just read the "news" from the outlet that most reflects their views. They go on the political websites that support their views. Everybody is getting one only side of the argument which further augments their views.

As somebody who sits in the middle, and sometimes takes the effort to see things from the other side, it's horrible to see.

Everybody is slamming the goings on in parliament this week but, the really sad thing is, it's pretty reflective of the UK as a whole.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Come back in on the 29th, mate, and have a look at my photo!

Only if it's of Natalie Sawyer in a bikini.

 

[Jebus_lives]

What have I said there that I haven't said directly to you and others numerous times in here. It's absolutely true. Maybe not with you specifically but we've also had that conversation before too.

I come in here, not looking to get you or other remainers to change your mind. You want to remain for a reason and I totally respect that. All I ask is that I also have my reasons for wanting to leave and want you to respect that in return. But every single one of you who has engaged me has challenged me and then to some degree tried to educate me. Every single one of you. Apart from one poster who kindly pointed out that somebody liking my posts was actually just wumming with me. You even liked a post today of somebody who said I must be wrong even though he openly admitted he couldn't be arsed reading my posts.

As regards playing to the galleries, yeah ok. Great sense doing that in a thread where the said gallery represents probably less than 5% of the regular posters. No, playing to the gallery is when you made that post about me voting leave because my wife told me to. Got yourself a few laughs there didn't you.

You actually asked for further information. If you don't want to be 'educated' don't ask to be.

 

[Ruairi77]

I come in here, not looking to get you or other remainers to change your mind. You want to remain for a reason and I totally respect that. All I ask is that I also have my reasons for wanting to leave and want you to respect that in return. But every single one of you who has engaged me has challenged me and then to some degree tried to educate me. Every single one of you.

Like I said in the other thread, your posts are reasoned and well thought out.
I'd be shocked if you were on a forum and debating EU membership and people didn't challenge your opinion.

My perspective may be skewed as I'm not currently living in the UK.

The way I see it, remainers feel aggravated because the status quo is changing. They know the UK has problems but also think EU membership is not the cause of those problems. If everything is to change in such a huge way, they'd like measured, well thought out reasons for the change. They aren't getting that.

The argument about the political structures of the EU is weak because it's not much different to that of the UK (unelected lords etc.)
The argument about the economy is weak as it's all forecasting and so far the outlook seems far more negative than positive
The argument about no brits being in high positions isn't strong as the UK has opted out of Schengen and the Euro but people like Patten were fairly prominent. Plenty of other nations have not held the top positions.
The argument about EU messaging being poor is not strong because other countries get a good message from the EU but then other countries dont have the Telegraph, mail or Murdochs rags intent on destabilizing society in the name of a quick buck.
The argument about centralized taxation and an EU army which would replace a UK army is here say and under the rules of the EU, the UK or any other member has the power to veto any such plans, perhaps the argument for leaving would be stronger if these plans were actually being implemented.
In fact the only argument on here for leaving that was honest and an actual (if horrible) reason was the fella who was sick of hearing the polish language in Tescos.

So, remainers are looking at restrictions on trade, restrictions on travel and god knows how many other changes to day to day life and the only reason that actually makes sense is because Phil from Sunderland is sick of hearing Latvian in Tescos.

And lately there has been a new growth of leavers on this thread, all bent out of shape because they feel bullied by the EU. I'm really not sure what they expected but it does play in to my feeling that, for the most part, Brexit is fueled by nationalism and xenophobia.

Thats a long winded way of trying to explain why people are challenging you.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Only if it's of Natalie Sawyer in a bikini.

Nah, I've posted about this before.

On the 29th, the digital camera comes out. I take a piccie of the sky, to prove to all the Remainers that the sky HASN'T fallen in.

Look out for it!

 

[Barnfred 55]

Catherine Ashton wasn't an imaginary person, she does actually exist

You know what I meant.

I've never actually heard of her but then I never took much of an interest in politics which is why I said "as far as I'm aware" The old get out of anything clause.

By the way Bruce, I wasn't very enamoured with your post the other day comparing Brexit voters now with pre war Germans. If I'm correct you were saying that the way Brexit voters are taking on information from Leave campaigners/politicians is similar to the German people of the 1930s taking on board Nazi values from Hitler. Think that's a bit of a leap to take personally.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Nah, I've posted about this before.

On the 29th, the digital camera comes out. I take a piccie of the sky, to prove to all the Remainers that the sky HASN'T fallen in.

Look out for it!

The likelihood is we'll still be in mate. Keep wishing though.

 

[COYBL25]

Sincere man hopes to forge open and honest relationship with woman who respects Old people
Peter Parker once said 'You don't trust anyone, that's your problem.' But you can trust me.

Good day ladies!

I'm a coherent sort of gentleman, who likes nothing more than gardening with the right woman.

The first thing people usually notice about me is my smart personality, closely followed by my smashing finger nails. I am not one of those fake people who pretends not to notice their own qualities. My finger nails are top notch. These gems of honesty are just part of the coherent person I am.

I work as a Gardener and part-time Brexit negotiator, helping Nigel Farage. This allows me to exercise my skills: Reading and Writing. I would like to tell you about the time I met Gregor Mendel, which is true, but it's important to me that you know I'm honest, so I'll save the wilder parts of my life for another time.

My life goals include:
Use a spider web as a parachute
Become the best Gardener and part-time Brexit negotiator I can be
Help all the lifelong socialists in the world
If you're the right woman for me, you'll be Good at writing and Can repair hoovers. You won't be afraid to Leave the EU and will have a healthy respect for Old people.

My ideal date would involve Googling in Brussels with an Theresa May lookalike by my side. While we're there, I compliment your OUT Breasts.

Honesty and openness are the most important qualities in a relationship. I will be honest with you, if you will be honest with me. In the spirit of openness and honesty, I think it's only fair to tell you that I'm looking for an open relationship. I will never lie to you about my other lovers. In fact, I'll start now to show you how sincere I am. Last week, I had a very sensuous encounter with a most luscious nanny from Inverness. These are the kind of truths I will tell you if we enter into a relationship.

Go web! Fly! Up, up, and away web! Shazaam! Go! Go! Go web go! Tally ho.

I urge you, get in touch

Joey66

lol PMSL

I can’t wait for his response !