Current Affairs EU In or Out

[scratchnsurf]

Racism
The war
Empire
Thick lazy gets blaming the Poles because they are unemployable

A good list but surely the Conservative Party should be top.

 

[Chewbacca]

A good list but surely the Conservative Party should be top.

The first 3 covers the Tory party I think

 

[scratchnsurf]

The first 3 covers the Tory party I think

I was thinking something similar as I typed my response.

 

[edge]

To be honest, watching from afar, I really don’t understand what it was about. I do see all the rhetoric from both sides of course but haven’t really understood the real reasons people voted the way they did as all the noise around trivial matters seems to be drowning out the real reasons.
Any chance you could provide a brief list of the top 3 or 4 reasons for Brexit?

loads of different reasons.
freedom of movement
people feeling disenfranchised hitting back at the establishment, labeled lazy, daft racists ect if they dared to question the status quo , still happening and nothing to see it changing as there concerns are conveniently swept under the carpet or by some twitter soundbite and a view that it will all miraculously go away if we stay in.
Not wanting to be part of a closer German/French European project.
The EU going beyond being a trading block, euro army , courts ect
loads of others but those 4 will be the biggest i think

 

[summerisle]

 

[jaycee]

loads of different reasons.
freedom of movement
people feeling disenfranchised hitting back at the establishment, labeled lazy, daft racists ect if they dared to question the status quo , still happening and nothing to see it changing as there concerns are conveniently swept under the carpet or by some twitter soundbite and a view that it will all miraculously go away if we stay in.
Not wanting to be part of a closer German/French European project.
The EU going beyond being a trading block, euro army , courts ect
loads of others but those 4 will be the biggest i think

A couple of things I dont get though edge,theres a view that it was a protest vote,yet the conservatives who have been in power for most of my life and have watched vast amounts of the North become basically wastelands,will still hold power after all this,European courts will have both good and bad points same as the courts here and the unity between the countries must surely have helped keep peace for all this time,the freedom of movement and immigration I can see why certain people or areas viewed that as a problem,but as a whole I think the EU good far outweighs the bad

 

[Tubey]

 

[WA Toffee]

loads of different reasons.
freedom of movement
people feeling disenfranchised hitting back at the establishment, labeled lazy, daft racists ect if they dared to question the status quo , still happening and nothing to see it changing as there concerns are conveniently swept under the carpet or by some twitter soundbite and a view that it will all miraculously go away if we stay in.
Not wanting to be part of a closer German/French European project.
The EU going beyond being a trading block, euro army , courts ect
loads of others but those 4 will be the biggest i think

I'm surprised freedom of movement is top of your list? Why do you think it will be easier after Brexit? I would have thought it would be harder

 

[orchard]

I'm surprised freedom of movement is top of your list? Why do you think it will be easier after Brexit? I would have thought it would be harder

Stopping freedom of movement mate.

 

[Tubey]

Everyone on that march should be immediately placed on a terrorism watch list and, just to be safe, made to sign the sex offenders register.

 

[Tubey]

Just look at them. It's like a parade of Jill Dando murder suspects.

 

[WA Toffee]

Stopping freedom of movement mate.

Took me a minute there to realise you meant immigration. I actually thought at first you meant it would be good if it was harder for Britons to travel.
My excuse is I'm on a plane, it must be the altitude

 

[peteblue]

To be honest, watching from afar, I really don’t understand what it was about. I do see all the rhetoric from both sides of course but haven’t really understood the real reasons people voted the way they did as all the noise around trivial matters seems to be drowning out the real reasons.
Any chance you could provide a brief list of the top 3 or 4 reasons for Brexit?

I voted to join a trading block, I voted to leave a political union.
My vote can change the Prime minister of the U.K., my vote cannot change the various EU presidents.
I support the aims of NATO and believe it brings peace, I do not support the creation of an EU army which I believe will bring conflict with Russia.
I want the U.K. to have the freedom to trade, without having 27 other countries plus various sub regions holding it back.

 

[WA Toffee]

I voted to join a trading block, I voted to leave a political union.
My vote can change the Prime minister of the U.K., my vote cannot change the various EU presidents.
I support the aims of NATO and believe it brings peace, I do not support the creation of an EU army which I believe will bring conflict with Russia.
I want the U.K. to have the freedom to trade, without having 27 other countries plus various sub regions holding it back.

Your first one, fair enough, I would agree it has become that.
Second one, I don’t see how brexit has any relevance to that. The outcome is the same surely whether we are in the eu or not?
Third one, I have only heard about this eu army in the past couple of days so can’t comment on that
Last one, I really can’t see how the UK can hold a better bargaining chip in trade than half of Europe combined. If I was China, Japan, USA etc, I’m pretty sure I would give a better deal to a market with 300 million potential customers than one with 60 million

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I wonder how Pete can vote out Simon Stevens.