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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

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All that Brexit has actually achieved thus far is divide the people of this country.

It’s not even remotely funny any more. The hate and trolling is off the scale about this.

Some of the garbage posted online beggars belief.

Taking the financial aspect out, the EU should be relieved to be getting rid of this rat hole of a country.
 
All that Brexit has actually achieved thus far is divide the people of this country.

It’s not even remotely funny any more. The hate and trolling is off the scale about this.

Some of the garbage posted online beggars belief.

Taking the financial aspect out, the EU should be relieved to be getting rid of this rat hole of a country.
They will miss our money hence the crap deal on offer........
 
Happen some kind citizen heresbouts will enlighten me.....because despite following events closely both on her3 and in the real world,, I am now officially confused.

1. A vote was taken to remove No Deal off’ve the table.

2. A further vote was in favour of extending the Brexit date beyond March 29th.

3. But only if May’s deal is passed this coming week.

So.....what happens if May’s deal is punted?

Thanks in advance :)
 
They will miss our money, so have offered is a crap deal.

I don't follow that logic. If they will miss it that much, surely they would want us to stay?
If you can't follow that logic, I worry for you.

The argument being put forward is that the EU will miss the UK's financial contribution enough that they have rigidly stuck to a WA with terms so disadvantageous to the UK that it's actually WORSE than the current terms of our existing EU membership. Therefore anyone wanting a proper Brexit will vote AGAINST it... thereby keeping us in the EU, allowing the EU to continue taking the money.

Look at the votes in Parliament in the last week or so: May's deal is by far and away the least popular option among MPs as a whole. The vote to take "no deal" off the table was settled by a far narrower margin than the vote to accept or reject May's deal. Think about that: in a Parliament dominated by pro-Remain MPs, leaving with "no deal" was a more popular choice than leaving with May's deal.
 
Happen some kind citizen heresbouts will enlighten me.....because despite following events closely both on her3 and in the real world,, I am now officially confused.

1. A vote was taken to remove No Deal off’ve the table.

2. A further vote was in favour of extending the Brexit date beyond March 29th.

3. But only if May’s deal is passed this coming week.

So.....what happens if May’s deal is punted?

Thanks in advance :)
Each of those votes was a motion, rather than legislation.

The current position re legislation is that we leave the EU on March 29th, regardless of whether a deal has been reached or not. The relevant law was passed by the same Parliament that held the three votes you refer to.

May's deal cannot possibly pass. I was stunned to see it lose by only 149 votes, considering it was completely unchanged from it's previous attempt (where it lost by over 200 votes). Pro-remainers will rightly say that it is worse than the terms of our current EU membership, and pro-brexit opinion is that the deal does not see us leave at all, so is not worth supporting.

Presuming it fails, May will approach the EU asking for more time to ram the deal through Parliament. They will agree, in order to prevent the UK leaving on March 29th. May will then have to table new legislation in Parliament to get the date of departure varied, because it is currently determined by statute... and she will have to get that legislation passed BEFORE March 29th. If it does not get passed in time, we will leave on March 29th.
 
The European Commission (EC) has issued a stark warning of growing "uncertainty and numerous, interconnected risks" amid slower growth for the eurozone, with UK growth expected to stagnate and remain lower than any EU27 member state.

Figures released as part of the autumn 2018 European Economic Forecast reveal that UK growth is expected to fall from 1.3% in 2018 to 1.2% in 2019 and 2020.

Meanwhile, the average EU27 nation - the remaining EU member states after UK exits the bloc - have seen growth on average of 2.2% this year, with the EC forecasting this will slow to 2% and 1.9% in 2019 and 2020 respectively.

The fastest growth of the EU27 is expected from Ireland and Malta, with the former witnessing GDP growth of 7.8% this year, slowing to 4.5% and 3.8% in the following two years. Meanwhile, Malta has seen 2018 GDP growth of 5.4%, which is expected to fall to 4.9% and 4.4% in 2019 and 2020 respectively.

Outside of the UK, Italy, which has grown by just 1% in a 2018 rife with political turmoil, is expected to see growth of 1.2% and 1.3% in the following two years. Director general for economic and financial affairs Marco Buti said the EC expects GDP in the euro area to "decelerate in line with a further slowing momentum of foreign trade as the global economy has entered more choppy waters".


:coffee:

That was before we set up deals with Fiji and Papua New Guinea, everything is going to be ok now... :oops:
 
If you can't follow that logic, I worry for you.

The argument being put forward is that the EU will miss the UK's financial contribution enough that they have rigidly stuck to a WA with terms so disadvantageous to the UK that it's actually WORSE than the current terms of our existing EU membership. Therefore anyone wanting a proper Brexit will vote AGAINST it... thereby keeping us in the EU, allowing the EU to continue taking the money.

Look at the votes in Parliament in the last week or so: May's deal is by far and away the least popular option among MPs as a whole. The vote to take "no deal" off the table was settled by a far narrower margin than the vote to accept or reject May's deal. Think about that: in a Parliament dominated by pro-Remain MPs, leaving with "no deal" was a more popular choice than leaving with May's deal.
What on Earth is a proper Brexit?
 
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