Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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tim cahill said:
If it confirms people want May’s deal or no deal then so be it. If it confirms people want to remain then we can start to put this nightmare behind us.

U.K. politics is in a mess whatever happens.
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Its too late for that. Regardless of what happens the nation is divided now.

This place will kick off big time soon.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
See my post to you above Tim. It doesn't matter if there is a majority against a no deal in the vote tonight, it isn't legally binding.

If we get to 29th March with no deal agreed and no extension agreed by the EU, then the legal fall back is that we leave with no deal, irrespective of the outcome of tonight's vote. That is what the ERG are banking on.

Personally, I don't believe the EU will let that happen, but let's not kid ourselves that they aren't holding all the aces here.

I also feel that all we are doing is delaying judgment day to a few weeks further down the line. At the moment, all three options are still firmly in the table. Remain, leave with a deal and leave with no deal. I am a betting man but even I'm not prepared to lay money on the outcome. I haven't got a 'kin clue.
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If no deal is voted off the table tonight we can revoke article 50 unilaterally if an extension isn't agreed with the EU. Whoever is in power can still trigger it again once they've actually thought things through.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
See my post to you above Tim. It doesn't matter if there is a majority against a no deal in the vote tonight, it isn't legally binding.

If we get to 29th March with no deal agreed and no extension agreed by the EU, then the legal fall back is that we leave with no deal, irrespective of the outcome of tonight's vote. That is what the ERG are banking on.

Personally, I don't believe the EU will let that happen, but let's not kid ourselves that they aren't holding all the aces here.

I also feel that all we are doing is delaying judgment day to a few weeks further down the line. At the moment, all three options are still firmly in the table. Remain, leave with a deal and leave with no deal. I am a betting man but even I'm not prepared to lay money on the outcome. I haven't got a 'kin clue.
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It does indeed put the ball back with the EU if the two votes go as predicted. They could allow an extension with no provisos or they could attempt to wring even more out of the U.K.. The second option would cause Leavers to harden their stance even further. They could, of course, also give May the legal assurance she sought last week, as this would allow her to put the deal back to parliament. But of course this intransigence is what brought about Brexit in the first place....
 
peteblue said:
It does indeed put the ball back with the EU if the two votes go as predicted. They could allow an extension with no provisos or they could attempt to wring even more out of the U.K.. The second option would cause Leavers to harden their stance even further. They could, of course, also give May the legal assurance she sought last week, as this would allow her to put the deal back to parliament. But of course this intransigence is what brought about Brexit in the first place....
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Or we could revoke Article50.
 
arminisgod said:
why would we do that? That's not going to happen. 52% of people in this country voted to leave the EU. They didn't vote for any deal... they voted to leave.

No government is going to go against that
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It doesn't prevent them from triggering it again once we've come to some kind of consensus. We now know the utopia version of brexit doesn't exist and as such we need to properly review the 3 remaining options.
 
sbbefc said:
If no deal is voted off the table tonight we can revoke article 50 unilaterally if an extension isn't agreed with the EU. Whoever is in power can still trigger it again once they've actually thought things through.
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Sorry if I sound like a TV chef but here's a post I prepared earlier that dealt with that.

Barnfred 55 said:
The issue is that parliament made article 50 statute. It would therefore take another act of statute to revoke it, as I understand it, that needs a motion passing by both houses. It would take time to do this so it can't be used as a last minute ploy. There are no plans to introduce a motion to revoke article 50 from the government. It's possible that somebody from the floor could bring such a motion, but if it were even possible to make that statute (which I'm not sure tbh) it would set new precedents in Parliament for creating laws, and I'm not sure that a majority of MPs would want to go there/

The way the Govt is heading with this is, initially, to vote against a no deal. If they lose this motion, which is unlikely, we will leave on 29 March with no deal. If the motion is passed they will then bring forward a motion to apply to the EU for an extension. If that motion fails, or if the EU say no to an extension, then the fall back is that we leave the EU without a deal.

Effectively, parliament has allowed the country to get itself into a position whereby the EU is effectively in control of whether or not we leave without a deal. Unbelievable really. If the EU didn't have us by the balls before they have now.
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Yeah I think it's possible. Given it isn't going to come from the Govt, it will involve setting a precedent which will have massive implications for future law making in this country. Plus they will need to act now if it's to have any chance of being passed before 29th March.

For those reasons I don't think it's a viable option, but it is a possibility.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
ATM Out is a legal law whatever the traitors in the HOC decide before the end of March.....
Fact no unstatute vote means didky squat - ATM we leave at the end of March as 500 MPs voted for article 50 which is now law.....
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All laws are legal - although you might have yourself a decent jurisprudential discussion point (which I expect is entirely lost on you).

Article 50 was voted for by the HOC so your first and second sentence entirely contradict each other.

unstatute isn't actually a word, so I've no idea what you're meaning by this.

Out might be where you want to get to; but the choice here is are you leaving through the front door, the upstairs window or being thrown off the roof.
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Leaving on the end of the last day of March is the law via parliament end of
 
Barnfred 55 said:
See my post to you above Tim. It doesn't matter if there is a majority against a no deal in the vote tonight, it isn't legally binding.

If we get to 29th March with no deal agreed and no extension agreed by the EU, then the legal fall back is that we leave with no deal, irrespective of the outcome of tonight's vote. That is what the ERG are banking on.

Personally, I don't believe the EU will let that happen, but let's not kid ourselves that they aren't holding all the aces here.

I also feel that all we are doing is delaying judgment day to a few weeks further down the line. At the moment, all three options are still firmly in the table. Remain, leave with a deal and leave with no deal. I am a betting man but even I'm not prepared to lay money on the outcome. I haven't got a 'kin clue.
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It's risky because all 27 countries have to agree and there are rumours that Spain might veto it. It may be that the UK has to revoke Article 50 as the only way of avoiding the no deal scenario.
 
sbbefc said:
It doesn't prevent them from triggering it again once we've come to some kind of consensus. We now know the utopia version of brexit doesn't exist and as such we need to properly review the 3 remaining options.
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I don't think today's or tomorrow's vote will win. As has been said the ERG are banking on it and us leaving on the 29th March with no deal.
 
-Rob- said:
How could remain win by a minority?

A 2nd referendum can only have 2 options, just like the first referendum did. Hopefully those options would be much more clearly defined than they were first time round.

As of today where there is no feasible deal on the table to leave the EU so a referendum vote would have to be between remaining or leaving the EU without a deal. Whichever of those options gets greater than 50% of the votes, that's the direction the country would take.
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yes weve already had this vote. but the people in charge of enforcing don't seem to want to do it.

time to elect a party / leader who will enforce the will of the people.

there will not be a 2nd vote, as if goes to remain, then the brexiteers will want a 3rd vote, and so on and so on, that is NOT democracy
 
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