Current Affairs EU In or Out

[The binman chronicles]

A softer Brexit was locked out today..

Part of the problem with that withdrawal agreement is that we still didn't know what the final outcome would look like. In my mind there is no doubt that it would have just been another nearly two years of non agreement and then in the last few months something would emerge that pleased no one.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It's actually been surprisingly civil in here tonight.

 

[Armel]

Given that half of the UKs MEP seats have already been allocated to other nations, how would that play out if the UK decided to stay.?

I think the majority of the people in the UK assume that the EU still want us to stay, not realising that they have been merrily planning for life without us. I'm not sure how welcome we would be in the event we revoked article 50.

Yep seats went from 751 to 705 seats (part of the U.K seats redistributed, another part a reserve for potential new member states).

I’m not even certain what happens if there is a lengthy extension. I think then there should be European elections (in the U.K), because the treaties require representation. If not you risk an illegally composed parliament, possibly effecting the validity of the decisions from said parliament (would be an absolute shambles). Maybe there are ways around that? Like a small treaty change but something like that would require the approval of all parliaments so that can take a while. Don’t think many are up for that.

That planning for life after Brexit (outside of Brexit; most work has been on preparations), on a E.U level, hasn’t been very productive mate. You have declarations, like the one of Bratislava etc, but the reality is nothing can happen until Brexit is over. Very detrimental, reform is very much needed. Would be quite a feat, if after all that, there is no Brexit and to top it off the U.K is fully re-energized to block reforms. I don’t think a lot of states/parties are up for that (on every side of the political spectrum).

So how things now stand: they don’t want the withdrawal agreement (nothing inherently wrong with the agreement – I’m also quite certain the E.U doesn’t want to trap the U.K indefinitely but hey). They’d rather risk a no-deal (free choice off course- possibly a good solution in the long term), without a period of transition from the side of the E.U. Verhofstadt said that a short extension should be sufficient if they find a cross-party agreement that resembles the one set out in the letter of Corbyn since something like that would be positively received (read: a relatively soft brexit). So a comprehensive customs union. A bit sceptical that such a cross-party agreement can be reached. Sovereignty and all.

 

[Jebus_lives]

A better laid out negotiated deal on our terms the EU first asked for compensation, that should have been the last thing on the table......
Then after a hung parliament a coalition of Labour, and Tories could have done better than this..... Today's 2nd debarcle of a vote.....

What do actually mean by this?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Oh yes it was - A pure pantomime.....

It was only locked out in terms if a rejection to May's withdrawal agreement, which is based on her red lines. If you went back to the EU with the proposal from Labour, that might facilitate a softer Brexit. The problem is May is forcing 3 options: her withdrawal agreement, no deal or remain.

 

[tim cahill]

You can never say for certain but I reckon revoking article 50 would be even less popular in parliament than a no deal brexit. Despite what their individual preferences are I still think that the majority of MPs believe in upholding the democratic result of the referendum. They just can't/won't agree on how.

You might be right. But if no deal is voted down, the EU won’t extend and no other solution can be agreed then it could be a case of revoking article 50 because there’s no other option.

 

[thirdmantackle]

At this stage lads, its time to get that shower in your parliament out of there

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Peoles vote march in London this Saturday.

Gonna be massive. Big possibility now that article 50 will be extended to allow a 2nd referendum.

 

[Azza]

Be right back, I'm off to Dublin to buy a car, drive it through NI, stick it on a ferry and 'import' it onto mainland 'UK' without paying an tariffs.

 

[Kenshin]

Are the EU the bad guys?

Why should they bend over backwards to accommodate us?

Do you think we'd do the same if the shoe was on the other foot?

This is the myth that caused Brexit in the first place! It’s simply not true, they have been totally consistent throughout. There is only so much they can do without destroying the EU. The bad guys are the likes of Farage, Boris and Gove that told lies before the referendum for personal gain as well as those that bankrolled the whole thing for financial gain.

I'm referring to the peddled story guys not the reality of it.

If the media ran the story then the EU would be classed as the bad guys. For refusing to negotiate with us despite Mays best efforts to.

The reality is that within 20 minutes of a vote in this country or a statement by may on brexit, tusk keeps telling her she is wasting her time coming back for talks.

 

[Kenshin]

This whole second referendum.

What is leave wins again?

What if remain wins by a minority ?

Surely a small split in the vote would then cause noise from the people who want to leave AND already won that vote once before

It would destroy UK politics

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Peoles vote march in London this Saturday.

Gonna be massive. Big possibility now that article 50 will be extended to allow a 2nd referendum.

It's a pointless exercise. These marches always are, they're set up by pretentious fools who sincerely believe our politicians will be forced to listen if "the people" make enough noise. They're wrong. If Brexit has proven anything it's that politicians will ignore everyone and anyone on all sides when it suits them. Over a million people marched over the illegal Iraq War (i was one of them) and were totally ignored. If we ignore the first referendum or have a second then you can be quite certain that it the decision to do so had absolutely nothing to do with those marches, it was purely based the whims of our politicians who have nothing but contempt for all of us.

 

[peteblue]

Would they?

The Tories are ripped from top to bottom. There are Conservative Associations up and down the country in the control of hard line Brexiteers who will do absolutely no campaigning for any MP who have thwarted Leave...which is the majority of them.

That wont show up in the polls right now, but it'll be carnage on the doorstep for swathes of Tories.

Labour is in the same boat....

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

The UK government announced this morning that the UK will not introduce any new checks or controls on goods moving across the land border into Northern Ireland if the UK leaves the European Union without a deal. 'However, tariffs will be payable on goods moving from the EU into the rest of the UK via Northern Ireland under a schedule of rates also released this morning.' Tariffs will be introduced on all goods arriving in the UK from the Republic of Ireland.

This is bound to lead to an avoidance of paying tariffs, because as in the case with the movement of people, NI can be used as a back door route for goods entering the UK.

#takingbackcontrol

 

[Jeff Jones]

Surely, an orderly no deal is the best option for Britain, because you'd have six months of transition where there are no changes and you can
get all your side deals worked out so that aviation and so forth isn't disrupted. A huge number of those deals have already been worked out and
then Britain moves on to world trade organisation rules.

If your Prime Minister keeps getting extensions, EU will keep making all the rules that are bad for Britain.