Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Ok, the conservatives would win a GE.....

No way Pete. They’re finished

 

[peteblue]

No way Pete. They’re finished

Have you really looked at who is ruining Labour.....

 

[davek]

Ok, the conservatives would win a GE.....

Would they?

The Tories are ripped from top to bottom. There are Conservative Associations up and down the country in the control of hard line Brexiteers who will do absolutely no campaigning for any MP who have thwarted Leave...which is the majority of them.

That wont show up in the polls right now, but it'll be carnage on the doorstep for swathes of Tories.

 

[Groucho]

No, we don't. We have limited / zero control over EU wide immigration. And that is what people voted for.... controlled immigration. Not no immigration, just controlled immigration. England is the most densely populated country in Europe and the free movement of people is imbalanced against us.

We control immigration to the UK and always have.

 

[edge]

I'm not sure I said I do think we will leave Edge. TBH I haven't got a 'kin clue what's going to happen. It's all guess work. What I do think is leaving with no deal will be an absolute car crash initially, and do a lot of damage in the short to medium term. To counter that I firmly believe, as I think you do, that the fall out from remaining could prove just as harmful in the long term. Britain could become toxic.

Why do you think the May deal is so bad by the way?. Personally I don't consider it a deal at all, just a withdrawal agreement. All the work on our future relationship is still to be done and we have the best part of 2 years to negotiate this. I also believe the EU want a good trade deal as much as we do and probably have more reason to avoid the backstop so they can protect their precious freedom of movement clause.

i thought it was putting us in a situation were we wouldn't trade openly with others while in it, the backstop having no way of pulling the plug, and it had to many preconditions before we actually got down to a deal so it would have been more favourable for the EU in the long run than the uk.
sorry for putting words in your mouth about staying in

 

[Barnfred 55]

yea, seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.
If you leave, you're economy is screwed and you have to deal with a messy border situation,
If you stay there'll be a dangerous rise in far right wing populism as well as a lack of trust among other EU nations.
All the while Scotland and N.Ireland prepare for separation referendums.

In my opinion, the best way to deal with this is to put the N.Ireland only backstop before parliament and see if it can get the votes from both sides. It would get the votes, a withdrawl agreement would be signed, the UK would leave the EU. Then the DUP would bring down the government and force a general election which might be no bad thing moving forward.
I realize this might mean Scotland demand the same status as NI and this would be the next bridge to cross.

Just get's worse doesn't it.

 

[edge]

May would win a GE....

Tories would without May , With May not sure Pete

 

[Frang]

Milf as a mix of may and silva not a reference to May alone lol

Milva out

 

[Barnfred 55]

i thought it was putting us in a situation were we wouldn't trade openly with others while in it, the backstop having no way of pulling the plug, and it had to many preconditions before we actually got down to a deal so it would have been more favourable for the EU in the long run than the uk.
sorry for putting words in your mouth about staying in

There would be no restrictions on us negotiating new deals though, as far as I know anyway. And some of these would likely take many months or years. Already said what I think about the backstop. And what are the too many preconditions? Not a trick question, I genuinely don't know what you're referring to.

 

[Aberblue]

It's anybody's guess who, if anyone, would win a General Election. Even if there was a clear winner, the same problems would still be there.

 

[Barnfred 55]

No lengthy extension; longer than the European parliament elections

Given that half of the UKs MEP seats have already been allocated to other nations, how would that play out if the UK decided to stay.?

I think the majority of the people in the UK assume that the EU still want us to stay, not realising that they have been merrily planning for life without us. I'm not sure how welcome we would be in the event we revoked article 50.

 

[Librarian]

You would imagine that in a general election each party would have to definitely declare its position, a lot of MP’s from each party would have to sell the party line or jump ship

 

[Barnfred 55]

In Paris tonight, and whilst my French isn't good, I think they're by and large farting in our general direction.

No change there thenlol

 

[tsubaki]

There will be no general election, its hard to see a new deal emerging either (as it would require a general election to pass) and an extension of Article 50 will not happen without some kind of plan as to what we will do with the time.

So that leaves no deal, revoke Article 50 or a second referendum on that deal specifically. The third is probably the most likely, though the only way May could ever threaten the ERG / DUP into backing her deal is to plausibly threaten the second.

 

[DanEFC92]

*LCAB was replying to Farage's tweet: