Current Affairs EU In or Out
- Thread starter micknick
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Well it's because there have been a number of genuine idiots declaring things which are completely untrue or misleading telling everyone it'll be no problem.
Its an indictment of the UK parliament that so many are taken in by words of people, said with confidence, which have no basis in fact or reality.
davids
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It would appear that through the whole process the media have been asleep at the wheel.Surely the right wing press should have been pointing out that you can't control immigration when the undesirables that you want to exclude can just stroll into the UK.
That is because May & her ministers basically ignore everywhere outside south-east England. Northern Ireland is "them" and simply does not feature in their thinking unless it's forced on them.
If there was a definite majority for any party it would be easier for the new government, but it would still be impossible for them to solve the Brexit question. Both of the biggest parties are split on the issue. In any case, the most likely result would be that no party had an overall majority.
Not sure the AG told us anything more than we knew already there.
peteblue
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I thought he did a decent job tbh.....
davek
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...will reduce the scale of defeat from 200+ last time to 100+ this time.
Anders_Limpar
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Think if she gets it down to less than 100 then she'll plan to just bring same deal back further down the road... More than 100 and it's toast.
God knows what happens then though - can't see a general election materially changing anything numbers wise.
Hopefully a cross party consensus for a Norway + Customs Union could then get though.
Barnfred 55
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Agree 100% with your first line. I also fully understand your stance regarding remain being preferable to this deal, but I can't agree with you on that for the simple reason that the country will still be bitterly divided. The desire of many million British to break away from Europe will not be diminished and, if anything, will get stronger. My fear is that the UK will become a totally toxic environment to live and work and nobody with any sense will want to invest here. In the long term, remaining in the EU may actually be worse for the country than leaving with no deal.
The other big question is what does the EU want in all this. Nobody seems to be considering this in the UK but it could be fundamental to what happens next once May's proposal is voted down again, which it now surely will be following the AGs statement. My view has changed recently on this, in fact I've done a complete U turn. I'm now seeing an organisation that actually wants the UK to leave the EU, but still wants to have a close working relationship afterwards. Last night, for the first time, I saw a man who really wanted Teresa May's proposal to succeed and somebody who was committed to getting a future trade deal done so that the backstop wouldn't come into play. You only have to look at the backstop to realise that the EU wouldn't want it to come into force at all, never mind stay there indefinitely. The mainland UK being part of a customs union but without the free movement of people, not only goes against everything they believe in but would probably also satisfy a lot of the people who voted Brexit but are now fed up with the whole thing.
In addition, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the E27 have become, at best, fed up with the UK. From their point of view there has to be a balance between the financial reward our membership brings, against the frequent disruption to their activities that comes with it. The UK have never submitted fully to being members of the EU in the way that all other nations have, and it's fundamentally clear that we never will in the future. I think it's also fair to say that EU see no point in the UK continuing to be a member of the union when so many of it's electorate are totally against it. In this they have a much better grasp of the situation than we in the UK do in my opinion.
So we vote down the May plan, and then vote down a no deal, what then. We vote to apply to an extension to article 50. What happens if the EU say no. Well, legally, we leave with no deal. I'm not saying that they will refuse an extension, but it would be naive not to consider it a possibility given that the EU must be as fed up with this as we are. If I was them I'd be thinking what's the point of agreeing a short term extension when there's no desire in Parliament to agree on anything. I wouldn't have thought they would want to entertain a long extension either, as that would involve our being involved in this years elections. Imagine the chaos 73 Brexit MEPs could cause in Brussels. In the event we do default into a no deal on March 29th, then every MP who voted against the deal has to accept some responsibility for effectively playing Russian roulette with the nations future.
FWIW, I don't think that will happen, but not because of anything we have done. I just don't believe the EU will be reckless enough to allow a no deal to happen. I can see them allowing a short term extension on the understanding that either a second referendum or a general election takes place. For me, a second referendum is fruitless, whichever side wins. Firstly, remain has already shown they wont honour the result if Brexit win again, and Brexit will simply follow suit if Remain wins. And neither side have a majority in parliament to carry it through anyway. So I think a General election will take place.
That should be interesting.
davek
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There's no going back to Brussels. This is it.
It'll be a defeat (despite all the curent piping up of some on the flaky fringes of opposition to it) of about 90-110 votes.
They would be hard core leavers and never agree any other amendment even if one were possible.
I might be totally wrong but ,if she calls a GE parliament gets dissolved, meaning you would get no deal by default as there would be no government in place before we left, so no deal would be the only option as there would be nobody or anything else in place ti stop iy.
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