Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
It’s all been covered tbh...Remainers are now just filibustering and asking the same questions over and over again, without reading the answers given, and without realising that we are just under 41 days from leaving......

Still not one Remainer has put up a case for why we should remain, no decent arguments, no facts nor reasoning, really sad to see....
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It has been explained multiple times what problems leaving will cause and the long-term damage it will do, not least to Anglo-Irish relations which had improved significantly over the last 20 years.

But you evidently don't care about that. The response has been the same every time: 'It's project fear - there is nothing to worry about'.

Try telling that to the families of the Omagh bomb victims, one of whom appeared on TV this week determined that his son who was a victim should not be forgotten in this debate. This is from an article today discussing that TV appearance:

'Michael Gallagher, who also lost his brother Hugh, in the Troubles, wants to keep the victims front and centre of the Brexit debate. How insulting it must be for him to hear that this problem of what to do about how to manage Brexit on this island is an exercise in Project Fear. Those who want the UK to leave without a deal lump serious concerns about a return to violence in the 'codswallop' pile, accusing those who raise it of inventing problems where there are none.

How useful it would be for those advocating a no-deal Brexit to sit beside Michael Gallagher for a while - to get a flavour of his life since he had to say goodbye to his son, since he had to stand in a leisure centre in Omagh and listen in the middle of the night as a list of the names of survivors of the bomb were read out, knowing that as the last name was read out, his son was gone - ripped from him and his family. His son's crime was going to town to buy a pair of jeans.

Those people who say that this will never happen again are deluded. This week, an unnamed source in the EU told Reuters, that soon, Ireland is going to face facts in the event of a no deal, there will either be a hard border on this island or there will a border between Ireland and the rest of Europe.
So if that is to be believed, we return to being a divided island, with all that brings with it, or, we are cut adrift from the rest of Europe, an option that we should never have to face as a result of a vote in another jurisdiction.'

If it happens, the advocates of a no deal Brexit will never be forgiven.
 
peteblue said:
It’s all been covered tbh...Remainers are now just filibustering and asking the same questions over and over again, without reading the answers given, and without realising that we are just under 41 days from leaving......

Still not one Remainer has put up a case for why we should remain, no decent arguments, no facts nor reasoning, really sad to see....

Less than 41 days, tick tock....

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I made my case that I voted remain because of the infrastructure that the EU has provided for NI and for their role in underpinning peace in the North. Everyday I get to benefit from actual physical changes that the EU made to my part of the world and we are not a unique case in Ireland.

No Brexiteer can credibly state that my family and country will be better off following Brexit as London will not be replacing the EU investment that has made a real difference to all of our lives.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
It has been explained multiple times what problems leaving will cause and the long-term damage it will do, not least to Anglo-Irish relations which had improved significantly over the last 20 years.

But you evidently don't care about that. The response has been the same every time: 'It's project fear - there is nothing to worry about'.

Try telling that to the families of the Omagh bomb victims, one of whom appeared on TV this week determined that his son who was a victim should not be forgotten in this debate. This is from an article today discussing that TV appearance:

'Michael Gallagher, who also lost his brother Hugh, in the Troubles, wants to keep the victims front and centre of the Brexit debate. How insulting it must be for him to hear that this problem of what to do about how to manage Brexit on this island is an exercise in Project Fear. Those who want the UK to leave without a deal lump serious concerns about a return to violence in the 'codswallop' pile, accusing those who raise it of inventing problems where there are none.

How useful it would be for those advocating a no-deal Brexit to sit beside Michael Gallagher for a while - to get a flavour of his life since he had to say goodbye to his son, since he had to stand in a leisure centre in Omagh and listen in the middle of the night as a list of the names of survivors of the bomb were read out, knowing that as the last name was read out, his son was gone - ripped from him and his family. His son's crime was going to town to buy a pair of jeans.

Those people who say that this will never happen again are deluded. This week, an unnamed source in the EU told Reuters, that soon, Ireland is going to face facts in the event of a no deal, there will either be a hard border on this island or there will a border between Ireland and the rest of Europe.
So if that is to be believed, we return to being a divided island, with all that brings with it, or, we are cut adrift from the rest of Europe, an option that we should never have to face as a result of a vote in another jurisdiction.'

If it happens, the advocates of a no deal Brexit will never be forgiven.
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Of course not. You forget nothing. You argue about everything. Meanwhile, you still haven’t identified the benefits of being in or joining the EU......
 
Armaghtoffee said:
I made my case that I voted remain because of the infrastructure that the EU has provided for NI and for their role in underpinning peace in the North. Everyday I get to benefit from actual physical changes that the EU made to my part of the world and we are not a unique case in Ireland.

No Brexiteer can credibly state that my family and country will be better off following Brexit as London will not be replacing the EU investment that has made a real difference to all of our lives.
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How many times must this be said. The EU return less to the U.K. than we pay in, and have done since we joined. It’s our money they are spending on you. It’s not the EU’s money, it’s ours.......
 
peteblue said:
How many times must this be said. The EU return less to the U.K. than we pay in, and have done since we joined. It’s our money they are spending on you. It’s not the EU’s money, it’s ours.......
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We also get access to the second largest economy in the world, with free movement of goods, people and services.
 
peteblue said:
How many times must this be said. The EU return less to the U.K. than we pay in, and have done since we joined. It’s our money they are spending on you. It’s not the EU’s money, it’s ours.......
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It isn’t though Pete is it?

The infrastructure development funding is designed to improve the lives, and economic prosperity, of member states. If London had met these obligations then there would have been no need for the EU to step in and deliver what was sorely required.

Neither of us is under any illusion that had the need been greater in another member state then the money would have gone there.

It may have been U.K. money but it certainly hadn’t been put aside for the wee North Pete.
 
peteblue said:
Then the question has to be asked, ‘what is the EU for’. If it’s better to be out why shouldn’t the EU recommend that everyone leaves. If they believe that remaining is not good for a country, why remain.......it’s now just a political project and has forgotten why is was set up.....
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Well quite. I think it is more of a problem of understanding what it does for us than anything else. Someone far more clued up would have to advise on that but if we forget about the trade deals negotiated by the EU on our behalf, then I know off the top of my head they had a lot to do with clearing up the state of our beaches. They also (eventually) sorted out the phone companies to stop ripping us off with roaming charges.

Not much is heard about the good stuff though and successive governments have been happy to blame anything on the EU to deflect any bad news off them. I'm not sure why we need a European court, especially one that overrides our courts and I know this upsets a lot of people but how much difference does it really make. How may decisions have been overturned? People who are already fed up of politicians are understandably not pleased with another layer of bureaucrats. But again are they draining the UK's money on expenses? There just isn't enough information given, so then it becomes open to interpretation, which is rarely a good thing.

In normal circumstances it just works and I think in general our European counterparts have a better understanding than us but they too have their moments and if French/Italian/Spanish companies start going bust due to a no deal Brexit then they would be quite right to ask the same questions you have put.
 
peteblue said:
Just read the thread.....
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Pete, you told a lie. I called you on it. I asked you for a direct answer. You come out with a nonsense answer. If you aren't big enough to admit you lied then that's up to you. I have to admit, I had a grudging respect for you, attempting to defend the indefensible with the Leave vote, but now you are just another dissembling right wing person (I resisted the temptation to go full on there). You have lost all credibility with me, and I will never treat your posts with any respect any more. Your posts on the subject of Exocet missiles supplied by France to Argentina has destroyed your credibility. A simple admission of error would have sufficed.

Bluff
 
Emlynsqueakyvoice said:
Pete, you told a lie. I called you on it. I asked you for a direct answer. You come out with a nonsense answer. If you aren't big enough to admit you lied then that's up to you. I have to admit, I had a grudging respect for you, attempting to defend the indefensible with the Leave vote, but now you are just another dissembling right wing person (I resisted the temptation to go full on there). You have lost all credibility with me, and I will never treat your posts with any respect any more. Your posts on the subject of Exocet missiles supplied by France to Argentina has destroyed your credibility. A simple admission of error would have sufficed.

Bluff
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I’m not sure how I will now sleep at night. But the answer you seek is still in the thread.....
 
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