I support the UK; I honestly believe the UK would be better off in the EU. It's a sincere belief.
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I support the UK; I honestly believe the UK would be better off in the EU. It's a sincere belief.
Irish politics isn’t a strong point for you Joey.
I like your use of Google though. I honestly suggest that you look up how Nationalist parties sold the GFA to their electorate and you will quickly see that the border was integral to winning the hearts and minds.
For Nationalists to consent to recognising majority rule and also to give approval to the ROI removing Articles 2 and 3 was seismic and of course an invisible border underpins all of this.
Mate, just look it all up and I hope it helps you better understand why we are so fearful of the consequences of Brexit.
Azza
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Yawn........ This thread has not altered much.. it's getting boring
Amazing retort. I'm blown away by your reasoning.
The best deal is the one we have at the moment.
Despite what you may read in the Daily Mail or the Express the UK has control over its borders and immigration policy, it's not dictated by Brussels. We have access to a massive market not just within the EU but outside, due to the trade agreements that the EU develop and negotiate, which the UK is involved in. You can see them all here - http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/ Then of course there is the EU Standardisation. It'd much prefer that the Strawberries I am able to eat all year round, whether they are grown in the UK during season, or importing out of season from the likes of Spain (as I did the other day, £1.65 from Tesco, a good price), will be of the same quality regardless of their origin.
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There's still a way out of this stalemate - an 'NI only' backstop which would not commit the rest of the UK to staying in the Customs Union indefinitely if a solution cannot be found in the future trade deal talks, which is what has caused so much opposition to May's deal in the UK.
We know that the reason she won't agree to it is because she needs DUP support to stay in power.
With the deadline looming surely it is time she saw sense and called the DUP's bluff. If they withdraw their support they could get a Corbyn government so it is time they were taken out of their comfort zone and tested as to which option they would really prefer.
Maybe they might actually be tempted to put NI first where it would enjoy a position of having equal access to both the EU Single Market and the UK market. But history suggests that they probably wouldn't, and would prefer to inflict damage on the NI economy and endanger the peace than agree any compromise on their precious union.
It's about time Teresa May put country before party and chose the sensible option which benefits everyone.
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Do you believe in British democracy? The sovereignty of Parliament to take the best decisions in the interest of the British public? Driving the UK to a no-deal Brexit, roundly agreed to be the worst economic catastrophe in modern British history, for the sake of a referendum that is legally non-binding, is a dereliction of British democracy.
Do you believe in democracy enough to allow for a second referendum now that the terms of Brexit are more clear; now that there is a deal on the table and people know the only two forms of Brexit that we can have are May's deal or no-deal? Do you believe in a more informed plebiscite to advise our parliament on what is the best course of action now in 2019? Incidentally, this was the way a brexit referendum should work according to Jacob RM only a few years ago - a vote on whether to leave followed by a final vote after negotiation.
Of course, you don't. Because now that the emperor is standing stark bollock naked in the street, you know that there is no way that leave would get a majority.
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If people genuinely cared about democracy they would want the public to have a final say when the deal we have is clear.
Yes, we'll support the UK in an act of self-harm that's backed up by zero evidence and fuelled by prejudice. We'll then cry and whine when anyone has the temerity to challenge us, because we're wise, experienced blokes who have been around the block so much that no one can ever have challenged us in the past.
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It's about respecting the forum you are in and point you in the direction of its poll. It really should come as no surprise!? And your logic of referendum result won't even make sense before you go down that route.
Are yes with the EU, Japan can now trade freely with the largest open trade zone in the world.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-785_en.htm
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Thanks....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I would be fine with a second vote, provided that every time we vote for something that we then have a second vote within two years.
In terms of the Brexit vote, I am more confident now that we would vote to Leave a second time.....
I spoke to someone who voted remain and he stated he wished he'd have voted leave after seeing the way the EU has treated us these last few days.
So my question is, has anyone had second thoughts about the way they voted. I mean either way, in hindsight would you change your vote from Leave to remain or vice versa or vote the same.
I voted leave and did question myself. But for me the EU has become too powerful, Ireland and the Lisbon treaty for one, the French and Dutch in 2005 as well.
So my question is, has anyone had second thoughts about the way they voted. I mean either way, in hindsight would you change your vote from Leave to remain or vice versa or vote the same.
I voted leave and did question myself. But for me the EU has become too powerful, Ireland and the Lisbon treaty for one, the French and Dutch in 2005 as well.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
There is also another solution. An ROI backstop. With exactly the same reasoning as above.....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
But would that belief drive you to undermine the U.K., side with the EU against the negotiating position of the U.K., provide comfort and support to the EU against U.K. interests. I’m guessing no, but there are a fair few MP’s who would.....
I voted remain and I’m if there was a second vote , something I’m still not convinced is the right thing or the answer to be honest , then I’d still vote remain and even more so I’d probably campaign . I’d try to get people to the polling stations and generate some interest and try and provide information to those who I think were a bit apathetic .
Among my social circle I’d say I know leavers who are still absolutely adamant they made the right decision and the same with remainers . I appreciate its only anecdotal but I know a couple of leavers who seem to have wavered , I’m not sure if that makes any difference what so ever though . I’m far from convinced we’d see anything dramatically different in a second referendum.
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How is this in any way acceptable? This is a UK mess. We need a UK solution.
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