Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Yes. You democratically elected people to negotiate on your behalf, they spent two years negotiating a deal. Then your elected officials voted that deal down.
There was two years of negotiations and an agreed upon deal.

It was a proposed deal, which was voted out.....

 

[peteblue]

The UK to be the 51st state

I’d actually vote for that.....

 

[Ruairi77]

It was a proposed deal, which was voted out.....

yea, I know.
The poster was saying that it was unfair and one sided and there was no negotiation.
I was just pointing out that there had been 2 years of negotiation that the UK parliament eventually pulled the plug on.

 

[peteblue]

yea, I know.
The poster was saying that it was unfair and one sided and there was no negotiation.
I was just pointing out that there had been 2 years of negotiation that the UK parliament eventually pulled the plug on.

But that was an agreed part of the process......

 

[bigbadjeff]

You have your view, I have mine.

 

[bigbadjeff]

‘I like your dark eyeshadow and pale complexion, also your ripped fishnets. Can I take a picture of you to show some lads in a football forum? I’m getting partially aroused.’

‘What!?! Jesus Christ!? get away from me before I call the police’

‘Well that’s not very diplomatic now is it. You’re impossible to negotiate with’

Yea, just like the E.U.

 

[peteblue]

“A group of top German economists has told the EU to tear up the Irish backstop and ditch its ideological demands in Brexit talks, calling instead for a flexible Europe of concentric circles that preserves friendly ties with the UK.

Brussels must “abandon its indivisibility dogma” on the EU’s four freedoms and come up with a creative formula or risk a disastrous showdown with London that could all too easily spin out of control.

A joint report by the influential Ifo Institute and universities across Germany and Europe warned that Brussels may be deluding itself in thinking that the EU has the upper hand in all respects or that the British will inevitably capitulate before March 29.”

 

[Armaghtoffee]

So you do not deny his facts there is no mention of the Good Friday agreement about a hard border that has been brand about on here , and in the media?

Joey, the reason the GFA agreement came about is that there wouldn’t be a hard border and that there would be power sharing in NI.

You couldn’t be more wrong if you possibly tried. It was the corner stone to the entire Agreement!!

 

[Joey66]

Joey, the reason the GFA agreement came about is that there wouldn’t be a hard border and that there would be power sharing in NI.

You couldn’t be more wrong if you possibly tried. It was the corner stone to the entire Agreement!!

Take it up,with Andrew Neil the hard border according to him is not in the GFA......
Just googled it it's not conditional........

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Take it up,with Andrew Neil the hard border according to him is not in the GFA......

Don't believe everything Andrew Neil tells you.

 

[Joey66]

Don't believe everything Andrew Neil tells you.

On today's politics mate.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

“A group of top German economists has told the EU to tear up the Irish backstop and ditch its ideological demands in Brexit talks, calling instead for a flexible Europe of concentric circles that preserves friendly ties with the UK.

Brussels must “abandon its indivisibility dogma” on the EU’s four freedoms and come up with a creative formula or risk a disastrous showdown with London that could all too easily spin out of control.

A joint report by the influential Ifo Institute and universities across Germany and Europe warned that Brussels may be deluding itself in thinking that the EU has the upper hand in all respects or that the British will inevitably capitulate before March 29.”

As I suspect most people aren't Telegraph subscribers, here is a link to that actual report - http://www.econpol.eu/publications/policy_brief_12 - although I await many arch Brexiteers to tell the Germans to stuff their advice where the sun doesn't shine. Maybe that wally will tear up the paper on live television whilst saying about how his granddad killed the jerries.

Incidentally, for the tldr among us, here is what their model proposes:

1. The backstop provision in the withdrawal agreement is dropped.
2. The United Kingdom permanently delegates all trade policy matters in goods to a newly created European Customs Association (ECA) in which the EU is also a member. Neither the EU nor the UK pursue independent trade policies, and the ECA represents them the World Trade Organization (WTO) in the same way as the EU has done until now for all 28 EU members.
3. The UK has voting rights in the ECA, as do all other member states. Together with the other members of the ECA it mandates the EU Commission to negotiate trade agreements with third parties.
4. Decisions are taken with double majority as defined in the Lisbon Treaty, and the European Court of Justice (in extended form including all participating countries) continues to supervise all law- and policy making in the field of trade.
5. The ECA covers all ‘classical‘ areas of trade policy, such as tariffs, quotas, rules of origin, trade defense, etc. On these issues, the EU has exclusive competence.
6. Areas in which the EU has no exclusive competence and in which countries have veto rights (trade in services, intellectual property, direct foreign investment, audiovisual and cultural services, and social, educational and health services), should not fall under the ECA. During a transition period, the pertinent provisions in the EU treaties continue to apply. For the future, arrangements in these areas are made by means of one or several supplementary bilateral agreements.
7. In existing trade agreements with third parties, provisions pertaining to ‘classical‘ areas or areas covered by bilateral agreements continue to apply to the UK, as well as those currently or in future negotiated.

I must say Pete, I didn't imagine you'd be on board with #2, but you've surprised me.

 

[zzr45]

As I suspect most people aren't Telegraph subscribers, here is a link to that actual report - http://www.econpol.eu/publications/policy_brief_12 - although I await many arch Brexiteers to tell the Germans to stuff their advice where the sun doesn't shine. Maybe that wally will tear up the paper on live television whilst saying about how his granddad killed the jerries.

Incidentally, for the tldr among us, here is what their model proposes:

1. The backstop provision in the withdrawal agreement is dropped.
2. The United Kingdom permanently delegates all trade policy matters in goods to a newly created European Customs Association (ECA) in which the EU is also a member. Neither the EU nor the UK pursue independent trade policies, and the ECA represents them the World Trade Organization (WTO) in the same way as the EU has done until now for all 28 EU members.
3. The UK has voting rights in the ECA, as do all other member states. Together with the other members of the ECA it mandates the EU Commission to negotiate trade agreements with third parties.
4. Decisions are taken with double majority as defined in the Lisbon Treaty, and the European Court of Justice (in extended form including all participating countries) continues to supervise all law- and policy making in the field of trade.
5. The ECA covers all ‘classical‘ areas of trade policy, such as tariffs, quotas, rules of origin, trade defense, etc. On these issues, the EU has exclusive competence.
6. Areas in which the EU has no exclusive competence and in which countries have veto rights (trade in services, intellectual property, direct foreign investment, audiovisual and cultural services, and social, educational and health services), should not fall under the ECA. During a transition period, the pertinent provisions in the EU treaties continue to apply. For the future, arrangements in these areas are made by means of one or several supplementary bilateral agreements.
7. In existing trade agreements with third parties, provisions pertaining to ‘classical‘ areas or areas covered by bilateral agreements continue to apply to the UK, as well as those currently or in future negotiated.

I must say Pete, I didn't imagine you'd be on board with #2, but you've surprised me.

The Germans have done Brexit better than us.

 

[tsubaki]

As I suspect most people aren't Telegraph subscribers, here is a link to that actual report - http://www.econpol.eu/publications/policy_brief_12 - although I await many arch Brexiteers to tell the Germans to stuff their advice where the sun doesn't shine. Maybe that wally will tear up the paper on live television whilst saying about how his granddad killed the jerries.

Incidentally, for the tldr among us, here is what their model proposes:

1. The backstop provision in the withdrawal agreement is dropped.
2. The United Kingdom permanently delegates all trade policy matters in goods to a newly created European Customs Association (ECA) in which the EU is also a member. Neither the EU nor the UK pursue independent trade policies, and the ECA represents them the World Trade Organization (WTO) in the same way as the EU has done until now for all 28 EU members.
3. The UK has voting rights in the ECA, as do all other member states. Together with the other members of the ECA it mandates the EU Commission to negotiate trade agreements with third parties.
4. Decisions are taken with double majority as defined in the Lisbon Treaty, and the European Court of Justice (in extended form including all participating countries) continues to supervise all law- and policy making in the field of trade.
5. The ECA covers all ‘classical‘ areas of trade policy, such as tariffs, quotas, rules of origin, trade defense, etc. On these issues, the EU has exclusive competence.
6. Areas in which the EU has no exclusive competence and in which countries have veto rights (trade in services, intellectual property, direct foreign investment, audiovisual and cultural services, and social, educational and health services), should not fall under the ECA. During a transition period, the pertinent provisions in the EU treaties continue to apply. For the future, arrangements in these areas are made by means of one or several supplementary bilateral agreements.
7. In existing trade agreements with third parties, provisions pertaining to ‘classical‘ areas or areas covered by bilateral agreements continue to apply to the UK, as well as those currently or in future negotiated.

I must say Pete, I didn't imagine you'd be on board with #2, but you've surprised me.

Did the Torygraph find any time to acknowledge that what Labour have been calling for is quite similar to that?

edit: though shouldn’t point 5 end which th the ECA having exclusive competence, rather than the EU?

 

[Tubey]

Did the Torygraph find any time to acknowledge that what Labour have been calling for is quite similar to that?

edit: though shouldn’t point 5 end which th the ECA having exclusive competence, rather than the EU?

The problem with Labour's position is that it isn't really Brexit - it's replacing EU membership with something all but identical. Freedom of movement persists for example.

It's a plan Remainers could get on board with but it doesn't square the circle with the Brexiteer loons.

And it doesn't give a reason why it's better than just remaining in the EU.

That said, at least it's a plan - the Tories don't have even that.