Probably more like the Mechanical Turk. Looks great but inside it's Dominic Raab pulling levers all over the shop.
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Probably more like the Mechanical Turk. Looks great but inside it's Dominic Raab pulling levers all over the shop.
By now they'll finally realise that they need us more than we need them and cave in to our demands. By submitting them to two years of idiocy we've finally convinced them.
peteblue
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Because no one has yet agreed to a process....no one has agreed any requirements or spec’d out anything to undergo feasibility, before doing a complete system spec analysis, before looking at functional and physical requirements, before even deciding on the technology or hardware/software requirements, before........etcetc. Again. No one has agreed to a process of identifying requirements that will be agreed by both sides, especially when one side doesn’t even want an answer. My guess would be that 95% of any potential system already exists and is in use in various systems. We just need to decide what we want from this particular system....
peteblue
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So we are going to have a No Deal and a hard border because the EU won’t negotiate. Thank you for clearing that up......
That's my point though. The Irish border isn't a surprise. The government knew it would be an issue, and have done absolutely nothing to provide an alternative to the current situation, yet they're going to the EU saying some kind of alternative exists? It's absurd. Had they gone there and said "yep, we've tested xyz on the Severn Bridge for 3 months, and it produced these results...", then that's something that might make the EU think twice that we're both serious and capable. As it is, we're neither of those and still expect the EU to sell Ireland out. Pfft. Regardless of ideological allegiances, the government have ballsed up time and time again and shown a fundamental lack of competence. It's embarrassing.
peteblue
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Oh, I totally agree with you here. The naivety displayed by those in control is a disgrace and it is indeed embarrassing. But that still doesn’t alter the fact that it could be done, with agreement and a will to do so, and that we are not waiting for some as yet undiscovered or developed ‘technology’........the EU and the ROI wish the border to be an issue and to remain one for as long as possible, no solution will ever be acceptable....
Quite possibly, but it's Britain that is deciding to leave so it is beholden on Britain to say why a backstop isn't required. It's not the responsibility of the EU to solve this for us as there only real responsibility is to Ireland. It's not an issue I know a great deal about, but if the British wish to convince people then there needs to be some testing and data produced to convince as frankly, the word of our politicians couldn't be more worthless than it is now.
there was 18 months of negotiations
the UK got most of what they wanted
I think if it’s simply monitoring vehicles across a border a souped up ANPR then I’ve no doubt it’s relatively easy , plus I’m aware there are some fairly basic livestock checks etc . However once we talk about different food standard issues or immigration concerns I can’t see what tech could do .
I’m not dismissing it lightly Pete , I want a deal I want this resolving so if it can work then great but I just see how this moves us forward . That’s why I’ve spoken about a border in the sea , unpalatable no doubt but potentially workable .
Yes stitched up good style by the EU ..... that's why it got voted down by 320 of our MPs.......
A deal will be done there are 39 billion reasons the EU will eventually alter the backstop as time limited......
Andrew Neil today was totally bemused over the Irish border today -
1- it is not in the Good Friday agreement
2- France and Italy have a checkpoints on their border
which all along its been the EU's intention to put a spanner in the works on Brexit - the Irish government have helped the EU too ...... yet it may backfire on them if a deal does not happen ....
I quite like Andrew Neil’s presenting style , although he can annoy , but he’s a staunch Brexiteer and Chairman of the group that owns the spectator as well as its former editor and the spectator is firmly pro-Brexit . Now that’s fine but he’s not a total independent posing his thoughts so unsurprisingly he’s puzzled by the trouble with the deal .
So you do not deny his facts there is no mention of the Good Friday agreement about a hard border that has been brand about on here , and in the media?
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Sorry joe what are you asking ? I’m far from an expert There isn’t a vast amount about a border in there other than about a normalisation of security arrangements and the removal of security installations. I think we can accept though , can’t we , over time that’s come to mean no hard border . Unless you disagree ?
To be honest though I don’t understand the point you’re making joe , do you want a hard border and think the GFA doesn’t prevent it ? I also remember you’ve got Irish heritage so that’s a given in your reply mate .
peteblue
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It’s also an E.U. border. Are the EU in a habit of letting the ‘other side’ determine what constitutes a border ?, No, of course not. There are a number of big political issues in this. The ROI want a unified Ireland, the EU wanted the U.K. to remain and so fixed on the potential break up of the U.K. by not allowing any sensible border. Both wanted to gain a negotiating advantage. This is what it is about, not what process or bit of kit we may need for the movement of goods between our countries......
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