Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Ruairi77]

There is a stated intention to remove the veto on an ever widening set of policy areas. The Veto will eventually disappear....

maybe that would be a good time to leave

 

[peteblue]

maybe that would be a good time to leave

Might as well get out now and beat the rush......

 

[Ruairi77]

Might as well get out now and beat the rush......

thought you'd say that.
So you think it's best to leave based on the chance that something might happen
as opposed to
leaving based on the fact that something will happen.
Like I've said all along
Nationalism has led you to gamble with the well being of future generations.

 

[peteblue]

thought you'd say that.
So you think it's best to leave based on the chance that something might happen
as opposed to
leaving based on the fact that something will happen.
Like I've said all along
Nationalism has led you to gamble with the well being of future generations.

I don’t gamble. Never have. I would never put my families welfare or wellbeing at risk. I think we will do just fine outside of the EU......

 

[Ruairi77]

I don’t gamble. Never have. I would never put my families welfare or wellbeing at risk. I think we will do just fine outside of the EU......

'think' eh, but don't 'know'.
So you voted to change the status quo, a gamble.
That gamble puts your families wellbeing at risk.
I know it's tough to hear but that's the way I see it.

edit. I do genuinely hope it works out for you and yours.

 

[peteblue]

'think' eh, but don't 'know'.
So you voted to change the status quo, a gamble.
That gamble puts your families wellbeing at risk.
I know it's tough to hear but that's the way I see it.

edit. I do genuinely hope it works out for you and yours.

Thanks...

 

[tsubaki]

In a global world, harmonisation is inevitable as it makes trading globally that much easier. Similarly, the various projects that allow digital health records to easily flow throughout Europe make complete sense, but to do so would require a degree of harmonisation (or standards) to be adopted to allow ease of sharing.

It's no different to something like the Internet. If every country went as the French tried to and have their own networking protocols, it would be rubbish, as the French system was. If we had harped on about sovereignty then we'd have our own version of Minitel and no doubt feel really smug about it.

This ironically is my biggest issue with the EU - all of that harmonisation is vital, especially in the fields of migration, defence, criminal justice and taxation, and yet they’ve mostly done other stuff first, even (like freedom of movement) when it’s actually dangerous to have it without the other things. There isn’t that much sign of them changing things either.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This ironically is my biggest issue with the EU - all of that harmonisation is vital, especially in the fields of migration, defence, criminal justice and taxation, and yet they’ve mostly done other stuff first, even (like freedom of movement) when it’s actually dangerous to have it without the other things. There isn’t that much sign of them changing things either.

Free movement of people has been a huge benefit to Europe, both in a cultural and financial sense. That isn't to say that changes in population don't bring challenges, because of course they do, but the UK government has the power to manage that already. It's not the EU's fault that successive British governments have been rubbish at it. Not only has the government been poor at investing in infrastructure, but it has also centralised decision making at a time when it should have been decentralising it. This made it very hard for regions to adapt to changes in their population. Similarly, the housing situation in Britain is well known, but these aren't problems caused by the EU, they're caused by poor local planning and NIMBYism.

 

[DanEFC92]

@peteblue comes off well here imho

 

[DanEFC92]

@peteblue comes off well here imho

Why are remainers chasing leave voters for an understanding. Cohesion. Unity.

But leave won. Why isn't Tim touring the UK trying to understand why people want to stay so he can explain why it's a good thing that we're leaving?

Leave voters are still to this day acting like wounded animals. Lashing out. You won. Now explain why I should be happy.

Indeed.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

@peteblue comes off well here imho

You'd think after a few years of James O'Brien type questioning that the leave community would have circulated a memo with a real crappy law that they could regurgitate when asked to name one that they hate. Their homework leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[longers]

worth a watch, in depth analysis of abbot on question time

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Free movement of people has been a huge benefit to Europe, both in a cultural and financial sense.

The only financial sense is those head up companies who have seen their monies and wealth increase metaphorically, while those immigrants under free movement have taken the blame for lowering of wages and wealth to pay for this ever increasing wealth at the top.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The only financial sense is those at top of companies who have seen their monies and wealth increase metaphorically, while those immigrants have taken the blame for lowering of wages and wealth to pay for this ever increasing wealth at the top.

That's not what the evidence shows. Official figures suggest that immigration has had very little impact upon wages in the UK. I'm not sure about here, but certainly in the US, the majority of startups are created by immigrants, so there is a lot of job creation directly attributed to migrants too. I know from anecdotal experience that many university spinouts are headed by migrants, but don't have data at hand to support this.

Indeed, if you look at the academic world, some 50% of PhDs are foreign, with 28% of academic staff. If we regard universities as providing the knowledge our companies need to thrive, then that's a significant contribution.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

That's not what the evidence shows. Official figures suggest that immigration has had very little impact upon wages in the UK. I'm not sure about here, but certainly in the US, the majority of startups are created by immigrants, so there is a lot of job creation directly attributed to migrants too. I know from anecdotal experience that many university spinouts are headed by migrants, but don't have data at hand to support this.

Indeed, if you look at the academic world, some 50% of PhDs are foreign, with 28% of academic staff. If we regard universities as providing the knowledge our companies need to thrive, then that's a significant contribution.

Oh right there is no in work poverty, food banks for working people in the UK. I can understand why leave won and MPs have pulled their second people's vote, complete denial.