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[orly]

I'm storing this thread for evidence for when MI5 ask us how a humble gardener was radicalised into believing civil unrest was the way ahead.

@Joey66 played with subtlety by Gary (very)Oldman

 

[roydo]

It will happen that's the big problem of trying to overturn the democratic vote........

They are trying to implement it. But it is not as easy as you were led to believe.

 

[edge]

I don't recall the Alan Johnson comment, but the emergency budget statement was made should we leave with no deal the day after the vote. Isn't it a coincidence that those figures are pretty similar to those produced now to project how a no deal Brexit would impact the country? Hammond has said as much a few months ago. The forecasts are produced by the Office for Budget Responsibility, who are non-departmental and independent. Their very job is to provide budget forecasts. So that's not a lie, that's a projection made by a body the government created specifically to make such projections!

Regarding Cameron and 'World War 3', I'm afraid that is itself a lie propagated by Boris Johnson. This is the actual speech you refer to - https://www.gov.uk/government/speec...ks-strength-and-security-in-the-eu-9-may-2016. You'll notice no mention of world war 3.

"Can we be so sure that peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking?

I would never be so rash as to make that assumption."

That is the exact quote that Boris lied about. At the time, I think it's a fair comment to make. Peace in Europe is always fragile, and many unsavoury sorts were banging the drum for Brexit. The vote to leave was quickly followed by Trump's election, and France were within a whisker of electing Le Pen. We've already seen far right leaders elected in Austria, Poland, Hungary and Czech, and so a political decision in Britain that was led in large part by those on the far right could scarcely be seen as supporting peace and goodwill in Europe, can it? And that's before we even get onto the Irish border.

Regarding universities, it's taken two years to get any kind of direction from the government, so how is it lying if they say they currently get a lot of funding, involvement in collaborative research and free movement of research talent, and all of those things are put at risk by leaving the EU? For two years all of those things were still at risk, and until the ink is dry on a settlement, I would say all three still are.

Alan Johnson, a Remainer and the former shadow chancellor, claimed two thirds of manufacturing jobs were dependent on Europe after looking at outdated analysis that had been conducted by the Centre of Economics and Business Research (CEBR).

The figure used by Mr Johnson compared the total number of manufacturing jobs, 2.55 million, with the 1.7 million jobs the CEBR had said were dependent on EU trade.

However, the two figures were not comparable and more recent analysis shows that the figure is more likely to be closer to 15 per cent.

didn't realise Boris had anything to do with those quotes as it is nearly 50/50 a lie that comes out of his mouth the best of times.

 

[Harryflashman]

No they don't Joe ffs.

650 mp’s with a couple of bodyguards is 1300 coppers with shifts 3000-5000 close protection officers . No wonder nobody comes out to deal with burglaries any more

 

[Joey66]

They are trying to implement it. But it is not as easy as you were led to believe.

Really the labours six test are staying in the EU status quo ......

 

[Joey66]

@Joey66 played with subtlety by Gary (very)Oldman

Not a humble gardener, Bruce horticulturalist IOH oh and I sent @ory a picture ask him about it as he talks a lot of it

 

[roydo]

Really the labours six test are staying in the EU status quo ......

Like I said, not as easy as the muppets you believed said it would be. Suck it up mate, democracy in action.

 

[Joey66]

Like I said, not as easy as the muppets you believed said it would be. Suck it up mate, democracy in action.

I don't need to suck anything up just let the promised democracy by the the PM David Cameron forfill the proples vote Democracy......

 

[roydo]

I don't need to suck anything up just let the promised democracy by the the PM David Cameron forfill the proples vote Democracy......

Our elected parliament are dealing with the issue. Thought thats what you wanted them to do.

 

[Harryflashman]

@peteblue

Genuine question now you’ve got the pub have you spoke to your wine merchant about the financial implications of a Brexit ? Either a negotiated one or no deal , be interested to know if you’re getting different figures than everyone else because at the minute the impact is potentially pretty big and a lot of the merchants have absorbed most the increases so far .

 

[Joey66]

Our elected parliament are dealing with the issue. Thought thats what you wanted them to do.

Implementation of Brexit yes......

 

[roydo]

Implementation of Brexit yes......

Which is what they are doing. As best they can. Democracy.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

@Joey66 played with subtlety by Gary (very)Oldman

I was thinking more Ralph Fiennes

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

@peteblue

Genuine question now you’ve got the pub have you spoke to your wine merchant about the financial implications of a Brexit ? Either a negotiated one or no deal , be interested to know if you’re getting different figures than everyone else because at the minute the impact is potentially pretty big and a lot of the merchants have absorbed most the increases so far .

Once Brexit kicks in all @peteblue ’s farmer mates won’t be able to afford drinkies in the pub due to the loss of EU farming subsidies. They’ll all gather down at the bus stop and share a bottle of Frosty Jack.

 

[roydo]

Which is what they are doing. As best they can. Democracy.

And there we have it. The UK HOC have voted to not allow the UK to leave without a deal. Ergo, No Deal is history.