No, that's not what the phrase means, it refers more to one's values on immigration, crime, nationality and other social issues (in America it covers things like abortion and gay marriage).
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No, that's not what the phrase means, it refers more to one's values on immigration, crime, nationality and other social issues (in America it covers things like abortion and gay marriage).
Not bothered about controlled immigration Bruce the UK has thrived on it - not bothered about Gays worked with a few in my career - crime {police should never have been cut back } -I voted brexit to get back our sovereignty and leave a expensive talking shop polictical union ....... and so we can deal cheaply worldwide again..... also not have their courts overseeing our courts Bruce....
The deal has been negotiated very badly the situation to depose May was too late imo her disastrous GE is when the letters had gone in - if she can't get a deal I fear a no deal situation as the clock is ticking, and she knows it ..- parliment amendments can not overthrow legislation she has in place now .......
Another referendum would take about 6 months to table they would argue over the questions to be put on the ballot paper for months - if she cannot get the DUP on side her deal amended by the EU if not legally on the backstop is still doomed to get ratified by our HOP Bruce......
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Plenty of UK religious similar to American counter parts when it comes to abortion and gay marriage just reckon people here are more duplicitous. At a guess with some ancedotal evidence would not be at surprised if there are strong links with EU bad brigade.
The social dumping the RMT is referring to has nothing to do with immigration, it was in regards eastern european drivers being on the roads for weeks living in there cabs, when the union tried to get the firms sanctioned by the EU they chose to do nothing.
The other main issue was with shippers flagging out there fleets to get away from paying the rates of pay they should do in the countries they operate from its happened here and just happened in Germany among others, again nothing to do with EU immigration .
The main country for flagging out and now europe's biggest fleet is Malta yes an EU member.
If people on the left in certain areas have issues with immigration so be it in general they are the ones that live and work alongside most of the EU immigrants, did anybody ask there views on that , no they didn't so why be surprised to find they took the chance finally to get there voices heard its understandable even if you don't agree with them.
There has been about 30 million rise in votes in the EU in the last five years , i suggest its more that if you don't listen to people they react by going for anybody that gives them a voice , have a read of the right wing spanish party VOX stuff nothing remotely about brexit, not much really about anything really , couple of nationalist statements , how anyone voted for them i don't know but they did for some reason.
If we leave with a brexit that is just that i will not blame the EU its are choice for good or bad.
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They still haven`t come to terms with the death of Maggie
@ijjysmith will back me up on this.
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/ne...sj1gTJMRk8PUhmHAhIOg-MC5swxL2cuGH0TSzOuvzt1Aw
Rolls-Royce has announced that it will be shifting work from Derby to Germany to limit disruption caused by Brexit.
The company confirmed in a trading update today that it is to transfer design approval work for its large aero engines away from Derby.
Engines designed and built by the firm, which has its civil aerospace division in Sinfin ,have to be signed off by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA).
There is uncertainty as to how this aircraft safety and design approval process would work when the UK leaves the European Union...
Rolls-Royce has announced that it will be shifting work from Derby to Germany to limit disruption caused by Brexit.
The company confirmed in a trading update today that it is to transfer design approval work for its large aero engines away from Derby.
Engines designed and built by the firm, which has its civil aerospace division in Sinfin ,have to be signed off by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA).
There is uncertainty as to how this aircraft safety and design approval process would work when the UK leaves the European Union...
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I don’t think they know other parties exist.
Tell you who I can't stand, that political journalist Polly Toynbee, absolute horror, so patronising, and up her own arse.
It's been statistically proven that those who are most exposed to EU migrants were most likely to vote remain precisely because that exposure eroded the bogeyman myth. The highest leave voting areas actually have low levels of migration.
Regarding their opinion being sought, it is in the same way any domestic policy is, not via direct referenda but via elections for MPs or MEPs, who we then task with deciding stuff in the UK and European parliaments. If you think people weren't asked their opinions on European matters then you must also think their opinion isn't asked on UK matters as the political setup is the same.
It's much the same as this - https://news.psu.edu/story/551523/2...-acquaintances-tend-support-same-sex-marriage - the more immigrants you know, the more you accept they're just like you and I and are no more deserving of scorn than a British citizen.
The absurdity of it is nicely summed up in this recent study - https://psmag.com/social-justice/fear-of-disloyalty-drives-anti-immigrant-bias - which found that many people dislike migrants because they fear that if push came to shove, they'd be disloyal to their adopted country. Disloyal about what is anyone's guess. It all sounds very 'reds under the beds' to me.
The absurdity of it is nicely summed up in this recent study - https://psmag.com/social-justice/fear-of-disloyalty-drives-anti-immigrant-bias - which found that many people dislike migrants because they fear that if push came to shove, they'd be disloyal to their adopted country. Disloyal about what is anyone's guess. It all sounds very 'reds under the beds' to me.
The whole affair has been quite eye opening, and many people and public figures have spoken about brexit giving bigotry a new lease of life, for the first time in my lifetime I feel as if racism has become more socially tolerated, normally you expect society to progress and these things to be pushed further to the margins. Now we have vast amounts of wealth from all over the globe pushing far right agendas, it's scary stuff.
The Sterling affair brought something else to light as well, that unless racist language is directly used, you will have to move heaven and earth to convince a certain demographic that even the slightest possibility of racism exist, it doesn't have to be overt to have a negative impact on peoples lives. I'm really not sure what the solution is, education and inclusive societies are the long term answer to most solutions, but how do you push back against this rise of the right wing which prevent that being a possibility.
It’s happened with trump there is an obsession about him allegedly using racist language on the apprentice and whether footage exists as if that’ll prove he’s a racist rather than all his other behaviour . Exactly as you say people will excuse everything now except the indefensible and even then will moan about overreacting. I bang on about it but all this “it can be racist Islam isn’t a race “ is a perfect example of it , it’s finding excuses and wiggle room constantly. Brexit , trump and plenty of other issues and allowing even encouraging it . That doesn’t paint all of the supporters will the same brush but it certainly frees them and gives them a little more liberty in the way that scumbag behaved at anfield after Suarez or twitter exploded post Suarez , it gives them a sign that they aren’t alone .
I forget the exact location I read it now, but there was a recent study looking at attitudes to immigration, and the long story short is that when people hear about the lives of migrants from migrants themselves, it makes a real difference. Indeed, even among leave voters, they were more likely to be persuaded by a Pole living in Britain (or other nationalities obviously) than they would be by either a remain or leave voting Brit. It kinda underlined the importance of giving a voice to migrants, as we talk about people being marginalised at the moment, but migrants living in Britain not only don't have a vote, but they also don't really have a voice. Changing that would be a super place to start.
As I posted elsewhere, I was at the Oldham game at anfield shortly after the suarez incident where a young black lad left the field in tears, it was en masse behaviour as a result of tribalism, if it can be induced by something so inconsequential as footy then active political campaigns won't have an issue
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