Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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That's a great point, the very people who casually called the referendum to strengthen their own position had for a long time been playing the immigration bogeyman card. They've a lot to answer for and it's not hyperbole to suggest Cameron is amongst the worst PM's to ever serve the country


I would say far and away the worst....in my lifetime anyway.

He will be remembered for two things.....Austerity and Brexit.
 
They were not elected on the referendum, they did not campaign to be elected on the referendum. What would you have the MP's do? push for a no deal brexit or support May's brexit? Which do you think will satisfy the 52% and their two year old referendum, despite new info now being available. the 52% that must be obeyed or else society and democracy will fall apart, no matter what the cost or whether the MP in question doesn't believes in Brexit
why vote on anything ? just let are better's make the decisions for us plebs they know best.
that's exactly the thinking that got a vote against the establishment in the first place,
last 2 polls still had leave ahead and it wouldn't take much of a campaign to say look the establishment are at it again to galvanise that vote.
If labour won the next election by 52 % does that mean they should take on the tories mandates because they didn't win by a wide margin?
Why have MP's all of a sudden only got May or nothing?
In reality neither will happen , fight for a decent outcome is what i want them to do not kowtow to the Tories or the EU or anybody else.
i think its waste of time myself personally wanting anything because i think it will end up in a stitch up anyway, with either staying in or out in name only.
just engaging on here for a bit of forum balance otherwise it would get boring.
 
That's a great point, the very people who casually called the referendum to strengthen their own position had for a long time been playing the immigration bogeyman card. They've a lot to answer for and it's not hyperbole to suggest Cameron is amongst the worst PM's to ever serve the country

Definately, but it wasn't just him. Brown and especially Blair pandered to that audience with their attacks on scroungers, "those who refuse to integrate" and the rest of the papers hate-figures as well - and they were much more to blame for bringing in agency / unstable work (and also for bringing in cheap labour as a conscious act of policy) than even Cameron was.
 
why vote on anything ? just let are better's make the decisions for us plebs they know best.
that's exactly the thinking that got a vote against the establishment in the first place,
last 2 polls still had leave ahead and it wouldn't take much of a campaign to say look the establishment are at it again to galvanise that vote.
If labour won the next election by 52 % does that mean they should take on the tories mandates because they didn't win by a wide margin?
Why have MP's all of a sudden only got May or nothing?
In reality neither will happen , fight for a decent outcome is what i want them to do not kowtow to the Tories or the EU or anybody else.
i think its waste of time myself personally wanting anything because i think it will end up in a stitch up anyway, with either staying in or out in name only.
just engaging on here for a bit of forum balance otherwise it would get boring.
I just don't equate the EU referendum being the fulcrum that democracy turns upon, people will have elected their MP's on their manifesto's or more realistically on the leaders or party they represent. Criticise the establishment and the mess that led us to this place by all means, hell I'll most likely be in agreement with you, but in terms of what a particular MP should do on brexit in the next week, just honouring which ever way their constituency voted 2 years ago isn't what I would like to see
 
"Mr Mitchell said the European Union played a part in thawing relations between the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom which enabled the Northern Ireland peace process and was central to the Good Friday Agreement."

Is it any wonder then that the only party on the island of Ireland which is in favour of Brexit is the same party that opposed every facet of the GFA ?

Peace, prosperity, and good Anglo-Irish relations are only secondary considerations to the DUP to preserving their precious union with our neighbouring island.

It's about time the UK government pulled the plug on them, which would allow the people of both islands to be happier and build a relationship of mutual trust and friendship.
 
why vote on anything ? just let are better's make the decisions for us plebs they know best.
that's exactly the thinking that got a vote against the establishment in the first place,
last 2 polls still had leave ahead and it wouldn't take much of a campaign to say look the establishment are at it again to galvanise that vote.
If labour won the next election by 52 % does that mean they should take on the tories mandates because they didn't win by a wide margin?
Why have MP's all of a sudden only got May or nothing?
In reality neither will happen , fight for a decent outcome is what i want them to do not kowtow to the Tories or the EU or anybody else.
i think its waste of time myself personally wanting anything because i think it will end up in a stitch up anyway, with either staying in or out in name only.
just engaging on here for a bit of forum balance otherwise it would get boring.

The whole point of representative democracy is that we elect people whom we'd expect to know more about complex issues than we do to make decisions for us.

The reason why it's May's plan or nothing is that May's plan is what the EU have accepted, and they've made it clear that no modifications will be accepted. I don't think there's any reputable source who has argued that May's deal is better for us than the present situation. Even Mrs May herself hasn't claimed that.
 
I would say far and away the worst....in my lifetime anyway.

He will be remembered for two things.....Austerity and Brexit.
unfortunately i have seen Thatcher, May, and Cameron hard to say which was the worst , thatcher for me i think.
Blair and major were pretty rubbish two but might be seen to have done a bit of good along the way .
have we had a good one?
 
The whole point of representative democracy is that we elect people whom we'd expect to know more about complex issues than we do to make decisions for us.

The reason why it's May's plan or nothing is that May's plan is what the EU have accepted, and they've made it clear that no modifications will be accepted. I don't think there's any reputable source who has argued that May's deal is better for us than the present situation. Even Mrs May herself hasn't claimed that.
i have never said Mays deal was better than staying in , have been openly said i would vote stay rather than take that if it came to it.
I will have you a bet they will have modifications, they will have to otherwise its no deal, that's not a one way street it hurts them as well as the UK if that's the outcome.
 
That's a current article about today's brexit, and give me an article when they were involved in the negotiations .... maybe informed ... but not sat at the table......
Are you serious Joe?

The Chair of the peace talks that led to the Good Friday Agreement said it wouldn’t have happened without the E.U. and you don’t accept it?

Why would he say this if it wasn’t the case? Why are Senator Mitchell’s comments invalid?
 
i have never said Mays deal was better than staying in , have been openly said i would vote stay rather than take that if it came to it.
I will have you a bet they will have modifications, they will have to otherwise its no deal, that's not a one way street it hurts them as well as the UK if that's the outcome.

I think the whole thing will get kicked into the political long grass then be deemed unworkable.
From the get go, when you examine art 50, you can see it's designed to make it difficult to leave, it's like one of those phone contracts you can't get out of.
It isn't in the interest of the EU to have members leave. Think of it as a colossal ponzi scheme, it needs expansion or it gets rumbled.
 
Are you serious Joe?

The Chair of the peace talks that led to the Good Friday Agreement said it wouldn’t have happened without the E.U. and you don’t accept it?

Why would he say this if it wasn’t the case? Why are Senator Mitchell’s comments invalid?
Hindsight not an article when the actual agreement was made by other parties just his interpretation from a EU perspective to raise project fear on Brexit where was he in 2016 before the vote even?
 
Hindsight not an article when the actual agreement was made by other parties just his interpretation from a EU perspective to raise project fear on Brexit where was he in 2016 before the vote even?
The E.U. role was the physical infrastructure into Northern Ireland, the funded projects for Catholic and Protestant kids to meet each other, the money they pumped in to create shared spaces in our towns.

By improving the lives of people in NI they created the conditions whereby negotiations could take place to stop the conflict.

The E.U. gave NI a glimpse into a future we could work towards together.
 
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