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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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Mark O'Silver said:
So even the views of the highly respected Senator George Mitchell are also dismissed as Project Fear.

This lot will stop at nothing to get their way.
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getting away from brexit a minute mate ,how do you think it will go when the population tips over into a nationalist majority in the coming years.
with a younger generation do you think they will go back to the old ways of division or go a different way?
 
Mark O'Silver said:
So even the views of the highly respected Senator George Mitchell are also dismissed as Project Fear.

This lot will stop at nothing to get their way.
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Yes, it would be hilarious but for the fact that these people are serious. By all means vote Leave. Just don't try and justify your decision with lies and ill thought out babble about how bad the EU is...
 
edge said:
getting away from brexit a minute mate ,how do you think it will go when the population tips over into a nationalist majority in the coming years.
with a younger generation do you think they will go back to the old ways of division or go a different way?
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The division never went away and will still be there in the future. There was always going to be a referendum on Irish unity at some point in the future, but even with a Nationalist majority in NI it is debatable whether it would be approved or not.

But Brexit is not only bound to increase the chances of a referendum happening sooner rather than later, but also the likelihood of it being passed as everyone including businesses and all political parties (except one) are dead set against it due to the damage it will cause.
 
edge said:
getting away from brexit a minute mate ,how do you think it will go when the population tips over into a nationalist majority in the coming years.
with a younger generation do you think they will go back to the old ways of division or go a different way?
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The E.U. has removed a lot of the social and political conditions that generated the conflict.

Younger generations have never heard a bomb and rarely seen major civil disturbance.

This is why a hard Brexit would be disastrous for us never mind the economic decline.

In that context, Irish constitional change is inevitable.
 
QUOTE="Groucho, post: 6700396, member: 11868"]The only Tory any of us here in Merseyside have ever had any time for in living memory, speaking sense.

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Is that his his view on Mays deal?
 
Mark O'Silver said:
The division never went away and will still be there in the future. There was always going to be a referendum on Irish unity at some point in the future, but even with a Nationalist majority in NI it is debatable whether it would be approved or not.

But Brexit is not only bound to increase the chances of a referendum happening sooner rather than later, but also the likelihood of it being passed as everyone including businesses and all political parties (except one) are dead set against it due to the damage it will cause.
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i was just wondering as a when i was a kid there was a bit of a religious divide in liverpool, are tenements were nearly all catholics , went to church schools ect there were protestant equivalent areas , but as time has gone by nobody really gives a toss about it anymore , outside of the 12th i dont think it has any really hold to most people its not an issue to 99% of the population anymore ,was just thinking as time goes by would people in ireland go the same way obviously over a longer time.
wasn't asking from a brexit standpoint just interested to hear from somebody involved over there.
 
edge said:
i was just wondering as a when i was a kid there was a bit of a religious divide in liverpool, are tenements were nearly all catholics , went to church schools ect there were protestant equivalent areas , but as time has gone by nobody really gives a toss about it anymore , outside of the 12th i dont think it has any really hold to most people its not an issue to 99% of the population anymore ,was just thinking as time goes by would people in ireland go the same way obviously over a longer time.
wasn't asking from a brexit standpoint just interested to hear from somebody involved over there.
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Yes I've lived in Liverpool so I know what you mean, the religious divide is pretty much ancient history on Merseyside. Then again Liverpool is a city with a considerable percentage of the population (30% ?) from Irish descent and as a result (I think I'm right in saying) has the highest Catholic population of any city in England, so it's not surprising that there used to be division.

Unfortunately NI is not the same, as for most people their religion still determines their nationality. Whereas in Liverpool everyone accepts that they are English, most people from one religious persuasion in NI won't accept that they are Irish despite the fact that they live here. So it's really about nationality rather than religion, which as you say is no longer an issue in Liverpool. Until the nationality issue is resolved the division is set to continue.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
Yes I've lived in Liverpool so I know what you mean, the religious divide is pretty much ancient history on Merseyside. Then again Liverpool is a city with a considerable percentage of the population (30% ?) from Irish descent and as a result (I think I'm right in saying) has the highest Catholic population of any city in England, so it's not surprising that there used to be division.

Unfortunately NI is not the same, as for most people their religion still determines their nationality. Whereas in Liverpool everyone accepts that they are English, most people from one religious persuasion in NI won't accept that they are Irish despite the fact that they live here. So it's really about nationality rather than religion, which as you say is no longer an issue in Liverpool. Until the nationality issue is resolved the division is set to continue.
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You mean British of course? Nobody has an English passport!
 
Mark O'Silver said:
Yes I've lived in Liverpool so I know what you mean, the religious divide is pretty much ancient history on Merseyside. Then again Liverpool is a city with a considerable percentage of the population (30% ?) from Irish descent and as a result (I think I'm right in saying) has the highest Catholic population of any city in England, so it's not surprising that there used to be division.

Unfortunately NI is not the same, as for most people their religion still determines their nationality. Whereas in Liverpool everyone accepts that they are English, most people from one religious persuasion in NI won't accept that they are Irish despite the fact that they live here. So it's really about nationality rather than religion, which as you say is no longer an issue in Liverpool. Until the nationality issue is resolved the division is set to continue.
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not sure of the current figures but around 2000 there were a few articles saying that it was 43% catholic which was the highest in the UK , last year was the first year for catholics overtaking the church of England as the the highest number of people in the UK that actually went to church, boris johnson had a bus saying it was because of poles taking are pews;).
yep lots of Irish descent here and a very large welsh one that mainly gets overlooked .
although the area going back centuries has even before immigration a long history of catholic worship, likes of little crosby even during the reformation staying firmly within the church.
not remotely into it myself , although i do pop into church now and again as it brings back memories of people that used to go with me as a kid. i like the surroundings weirdly for some reason, must be nice to have faith looks comforting to those that have.
 
Kurt said:
Jesus Christ Joey


There’s none so blind as those who refuse to see
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Just read Wikipedia - not one EU signature on the agreement from anyone from the EU on the GFA - the only mention is two articles on other sites that are hindsight that have been posted on this thread .......
If this was a big issue in the run up to the referendum why did the Remain party use it as such a big lever in their favour ?
Only the EU have proposed a hard border may be necessary- the republic - the Nortth , and the UK are adamant they want a soft border.......
In which most U.K. And Republic of Ireland are aiming for, and I agree with this - only the EU have weaponised this in negotiations!
 
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