enjoyed that article , being an ex punk 57 and even at this age want to smash the system struck a cord with me.
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Heat of the moment looking for any links to support my post, I took my eye of the link about Blair that was from the Sun I have had it removed by request -.my late father in law ex coal miner was a reader of the Sun mainly for its cryptic crossword as soon as Hillsborogh happened he droppped it like many other meseysiiders, He the bought the daily post like I used to read while living in Liverpool - I have purchased no newspapers for the last 30 years ......yet being accused as a daily fail reader on here....
I don't get it though. You knew there was no plan before casting your vote, yet still felt confident enough to do so. I get it if the various leave campaigns had presented a detailed manifesto setting out what they wanted to do and how they planned to do it, you'd at least have not only something to back but something to hold those campaigners to account against. That didn't exist though. Why did you vote for something so ill thought out?
It's supposed to be the other way around Joe. You do research and then form an opinion, not form an opinion and scurry around for something to support it.
Never mind that The likes of David Davis & Raab were both Brexit Secretary, Nigel Evans who that is I think you’ve posted is a senior member of both the 1922 committee and leave means leave so the failure to come up with a plan has to be laid at these people’s door . The bubble that I see is the one that excuses these people shouting from the sidelines but contributing nothing . The leave posters here are berated for having no answers but in fairness it isn’t there job , it is specifically the job of people like Evans but the best he can contribute is that empty rhetoric.
neil999
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Or if you wanna be scientific, try and find ways to disprove your own theory/opinion....
this is sadly lacking in todays discourse, people pick a side and everyone else is wrong/mad(i do this myself )
Clearly.
So if you don't get brexit, you will vote for something even worse and even less thought out in the future?
That coming from the best googled ever there were many links on that one post Bruce in fact just after the complaint which I took seriously I could have got an identical pint from the Daily Express - at leat Bruce I admitted my error on using a Sun link in the heat of the moment which is more than you did when you labled me an idiot you just stated you got angry .......
I am a decent poster I hate to upset people over an issue like that at the time on QT STATED "I would not eat fish and chips out of that paper"(The S@n)
We have not left as yet ......
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Great article, though it shouldn’t be a mystery - the way money has turned the heads of a significant section of the working class and made them think that they’ll be alright is basically how the Tory Party has survived these past 184 years.
Not 100% certain but that could be why he used the word if
all those other elections are about more than one question, have a tribal element like no Tories around here in Liverpool , for instance I don't really agree with some of the labour party on some issues, but would never vote tory.
This referendum had one question in or out , wasn't a party issue and had working class and Tories on both sides so not like any of those other elections at all, in that it was a one off, we were not voting to put the Tories in power for ever for instance in a general election .
Are you suggesting we have a referendum every 5 years on this subject?
If not the people with no voice have indeed not being listened to ,
Who will grant them the chance to have a say again, and how could anyone convince them it wasn't futile to engage with the establishment unless you voted the way they wanted anyway, making it a waste of time.
I haven't any objection to a second vote if they have the right questions on it, (don't no what those would be) but going with your line of thought it would be fine for parliament to ignore it if the wanted to , unless it went your/ there way of cause..
Here's the problem - what does "respecting the vote" mean?
Because if we take that referendum question on face value, then we voted Leave, so we should have just left on no deal immediately, yeah?
Because that's the only "respectful" interpretation of the vote I can come up with. Would you agree?
And if so, doesn't that mean that anything other than doing that would not "respect the vote", as we're seeing now with May's deal.
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Indeed.
Any attempt to have a second referendum without serious work towards working out and fixing why millions voted to leave is doomed, especially because those at the top of PV are not competent, honest or really that concerned about anyone but themselves.
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