Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Frang]

I wouldn't wish to paint this as a consensus across the EU, but as I've said before, every EU official I've spoken to since the vote has expressed sadness more than anything, and they enormously respect the many things of which Britain can be proud. As (I think) Barnier said recently, this is really a lose-lose for both sides.

Am I right in saying not one of our proposed laws to the EU has ever been passed?

 

[Frang]

Solutions will be found very quickly to the movement of goods on both sides of the channel, it is in both sides interests to do so.

All the fresh produce we import, are the EU going to let all those businesses/farmers go to the wall because of delays in goods coming in?

The deal being offered by May is a testament to her negotiating prowess, look how fast the EU have agreed to it, she's trying to push a bad deal on the country to save her own face basically.

Do you think there's any chance of her deal being passed?

 

[orchard]

Daft laws and such like..

But what, as an example?

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Do you think there's any chance of her deal being passed?

No chance, she'll be losing her job...

 

[Frang]

But what, as an example?

Do you really need me to point one out!

 

[orchard]

Do you really need me to point one out!

Pretty much mate.

 

[Frang]

Pretty much mate.

There's been 50,000 of them so take your pick mate

 

[orchard]

There's been 50,000 of them so take your pick mate

Orders? From the EU? That we had no say in?

 

[Frang]

Orders? From the EU? That we had no say in?

EU laws, that we had a say but never been able to pass one of our own.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Orders? From the EU? That we had no say in?

All rather slippery isn't it?

 

[abelard]

See @abelard , we're fortunate enough to have someone here who as a Blue will hopefully gain an automatic level of trust, and who is also on the inside of discussions on the potential impact of this, and the plans to cope with any changes that are afoot. Yet, despite that, his opinions are discounted because they don't conform to what @OnlyBlueWillDo already believes. Damned if I know how you go about changing such intransigence.

You should read @Number_25's posts about campaigning for Remain to get a sense of the people I have in mind (which also have the advantage of having been written by a gentleman, and not an incorrigible smart-ass)

The tide will turn, if it turns, not by dunking on the dubious logic of internet cranks lurking on football forums, but by creating a society where people no longer feel so hopeless and alone.

It is an enormous challenge - and an existential one, really. It has to be confronted, full-on, if we're to have a prayer of preserving what we cherish about a tolerant, cosmopolitan society. The age of assuming that we can solve problems through marginal tweaks to the earned-income tax credit rate are over.

But it is also much more a political challenge than a policy challenge. We have, in living memory, ample examples of how to do it better. New Labour, for example, virtually eliminated homelessness, not through any great policy genius, but through trial and error driven by sheer political will. Conversely, reviving homelessness was also a political choice.

Lost in the kerfuffle over endless variations on Inappropriate-Rain-Attire-gate, there is a policy vision - at the moment, the only one on offer in Britain - for how to rebuild a farer society, where "equality of opportunity" is more than just a sick joke. Those who want to contribute something constructive need to acknowledge the need for change, rather than idly swatting away anything that deviates from a demonstrably failing status quo.

 

[Walken]

Daft laws and such like..

jog on frank yeah

 

[Frang]

You should read @Number_25's posts about campaigning for Remain to get a sense of the people I have in mind (which also have the advantage of having been written by a gentleman, and not an incorrigible smart-ass)

The tide will turn, if it turns, not by dunking on the dubious logic of internet cranks lurking on football forums, but by creating a society where people no longer feel so hopeless and alone.

It is an enormous challenge - and an existential one, really. It has to be confronted, full-on, if we're to have a prayer of preserving what we cherish about a tolerant, cosmopolitan society. The age of assuming that we can solve problems through marginal tweaks to the earned-income tax credit rate are over.

But it is also much more a political challenge than a policy challenge. We have, in living memory, ample examples of how to do it better. New Labour, for example, virtually eliminated homelessness, not through any great policy genius, but through sheer political will. Conversely, reviving it was also a political choice.

Lost in the kerfuffle over endless variations on Inappropriate-Rain-Attire-gate, there is a policy vision - at the moment, the only one on offer in Britain - for how to rebuild a farer society, where "equality of opportunity" is more than just a sick joke. Those who want to contribute something constructive need to acknowledge the need for change, rather than idly swatting away anything that deviates from a demonstrably failing status quo.

Superb post.

 

[Frang]

jog on frank yeah

*puts gola's on

 

[Tubey]

I see brexit as the UK pressing the restart button..

Not quite. When you restart a PC, you don't do so knowing your PC will run 25% slower when it comes back on.

This is more like downgrading then restarting, and for little good reason as the parts you had where perfectly serviceable in the first place.

This whole thing is massive negligence from those entrusted with power. When you have feedback saying no matter how we leave it's going to damage us massively, then it should be up to the politicians to put the best interests of the country first - even if it means disregarding an advisory referendum.

The evidence is absolutely clear at this point - Brexit is total madness and a massive self-inflicted would that is totally avoidable.