Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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How the hell do I know specific outcomes for business's after brexit!

All I know is that I have every faith in the UK to make things happen..

We should never be reliant on EU subsidies in the first place!

Well I'm fairly sure McLaren don't have anything in the way of EU subsidies, nor do the NHS. Perhaps more importantly, how on earth can you vote for something and spurt out rhetoric about the outcome of your vote enabling Britain to 'trade with the world' without having given a moment's thought to how what you voted for will help people do that? That's utterly incomprehensible.
 
Well I'm fairly sure McLaren don't have anything in the way of EU subsidies, nor do the NHS. Perhaps more importantly, how on earth can you vote for something and spurt out rhetoric about the outcome of your vote enabling Britain to 'trade with the world' without having given a moment's thought to how what you voted for will help people do that? That's utterly incomprehensible.
You don't know how this pans out.

Scaremongering that's what your doing.

Should be ashamed.. Talking down at people doesn't help either
 
He has a bloody good point though
Thers lots of valid points coming from both sides.

No one can tell us what will happen in the next 5-10 years tho as we have never been thro this.

Predictions on the economy during this negotiating phase have been well off that's for sure
 
You don't know how this pans out.

Scaremongering that's what your doing.

Should be ashamed.. Talking down at people doesn't help either

No one is talking about the future, they're talking about the present. If you don't want to be talked down to, try taking this issue seriously. McLaren have clearly raised concerns about how the proposal put forward by May will impact their recruitment and their supply chain. The job of leave voters and leave advocates is to say how leaving the EU will help organisations, help individuals and help society as a whole. Right now, all we've had is tumbleweed. It's pathetic.
 
Feel like just giving up on this shambles. The HOC rightly voted for access to the legal advice before their meaningful vote, (do they have unmeaningful ones?), and the PM has blocked that, for a no doubt heavily edited version of her view instead.

Which at a stroke makes the meaningful vote meaningless.

The vote might not happen, Sky paper reviews last night, it's being suggested May is looking into scraping it.
 
No one is talking about the future, they're talking about the present. If you don't want to be talked down to, try taking this issue seriously. McLaren have clearly raised concerns about how the proposal put forward by May will impact their recruitment and their supply chain. The job of leave voters and leave advocates is to say how leaving the EU will help organisations, help individuals and help society as a whole. Right now, all we've had is tumbleweed. It's pathetic.
It's up to our elected government to sort out the details.. Not the electorate.

We just voted on what we felt was right for this country.

The elected government now have to sort it all out , that is what they are paid to do.
 
It's up to our elected government to sort out the details.. Not the electorate.

We just voted on what we felt was right for this country.

The elected government now have to sort it all out , that is what they are paid to do.

I'm sorry, but that's a cop out, and you should be ashamed. What you're basically saying is that you will have heard the voices from the industrial community, the scientific community, the economic community and the government themselves saying that they didn't think Brexit was a good idea. You actively disregarded all of that input from people who have skin in this game and for whom Brexit means a whole lot. You ignored them all because you believed Brexit would be better for them. You claim to know more about their world than they do, and you did so on nothing but a wing and a prayer that the same government whose advice you ignored would then somehow manage to make a silk purse from a sows ear. I guess we should just give you a hug or something.
 
I'm sorry, but that's a cop out, and you should be ashamed. What you're basically saying is that you will have heard the voices from the industrial community, the scientific community, the economic community and the government themselves saying that they didn't think Brexit was a good idea. You actively disregarded all of that input from people who have skin in this game and for whom Brexit means a whole lot. You ignored them all because you believed Brexit would be better for them. You claim to know more about their world than they do, and you did so on nothing but a wing and a prayer that the same government whose advice you ignored would then somehow manage to make a silk purse from a sows ear. I guess we should just give you a hug or something.
Yes mate.
 
I'm sorry I can't give you a comprehensive breakdown on how the UK will manage a no deal brexit.

All I know is we will be cracking on with it early next year like it or not.
 
How the hell do I know specific outcomes for business's after brexit!

All I know is that I have every faith in the UK to make things happen..

In it's own special way, this is the most honest Brexit post of them all.

It really only makes sense, at this point, as a form of religion.

How the hell should I know why it will work? I just feel it in my bones.

Like Peter Pan, Brexit will fly, if only enough of us believe it will fly.

It's like a national rain dance.

@abelard says we need to understand the mind of the leave voter

To be clear, I have never called on us to understand the mind of the @peteblue @Old Blue 2 Joey66 Brexiteer - those minds are obvious, impermeable, and immutable, and in any case, not what swung the election.

What I am suggesting is that we need to understand why Brexit appealed to so many desperate, alienated people - and why those championing Remain did not.

You see Brexit as the disease itself, but its only just a symptom. And you don't seem willing to attempt to cure what actually ails this country, or even to grapple with why so many everyday voters mistrust if not despise people like you (and I). But you really need look no further than your own posts on Universal Credit, for example, if you'd like some clues. The haughtiness and disdain for the suffering caused by your own politics is remarkable.

but I'm afraid this is a two-way street. a damn site more needs to be done to actually sell this pigswill to the nation because all we've got thus far is glib platitudes like the one in your post. They're meaningless.

Take the NHS if you prefer something more in tune with the national spirit. How will that be helped by Brexit? Take responsibility for this.

You still don't seem to realise that Leave lost the the election. The pigswill has already been sold to the nation. It is incumbent, obviously, upon us and not them if we want to win it back. How are you going to do that? What are you willing to offer instead? All I see is sneering at people's desperation, or preposterously blaming "the civil service" (as if that in any way addresses the issue), or mocking the rising appeal of conspiracy theories (as though, after Iraq and the financial crisis, the responsibility of the "responsible" class for making them so plausible wasn't obvious).

Leave offered an alternative - the only alternative, however absurd and farcical, to the status quo. And the status quo has failed. That argument has been lost. Just look at how your spirit animal Macron is doing these days. Do you really still think we can just put all just let bygones be bygones, put Humpty Dumpty together again, dust off our copies of The Lexus and the Olive Tree and pretend its the nineties again? I'm sure you can proudly reel off an arsenal of statistics about car factories, or the net positive of EU immigration on GDP/capita, but the point is that that would be missing the point.

How are we, "metropolitan liberal elites" in the parlance of our times, going to tell people a better story. What better vision of society are we proposing? Absent that, the real question swing voters are pondering is less "how will the NHS be helped by Brexit?" but "how will the NHS be helped by maintaining the status quo?"

And so far, your only answers are "it's very complicated" and "the NHS is already great", which is a) obvious political suicide and b) only true if you benefit from and are committed to maintaining the status quo.

The core issue is not so much why the millions of people we've driven to despair since 2010 trusted in Brexit, but why they no longer trust people like you and I, and why so many people like you (but not I) still stubbornly persist in the delusion that there isn't even really an underlying problem that needs solving, other than that the people who disagreed with us in 2016 are all morons.

The first step is always admitting that there is a problem, but I'm not sure you're even ready for that yet.
 
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