neil999
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yeah...but at least the PC wont have any foreign components in it...
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yeah...but at least the PC wont have any foreign components in it...
lollollol
Frang
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I see where your coming from...
But I also see it from another point of view too... Short term hurt for long term gain.
We will be much better off not having to prop up failed EU states.
For all we know the EU could totally destabilise without our input... Will be interesting to see how it goes for them too.
Frang
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Deary me Neil. You utter racist!
perhaps you know, just a little bit of foresight should be applied before destroying peoples lives, phrases like 'for all we know' in circumstances like this are infuriating
Frang
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This is what I'm getting rammed down my throat for voting to leave.
Apparently were all doomed and its all thanks to the uninformed 17.4m!
I don't want to get anecdotal about it, but people I know are already losing jobs or being put under review as a direct result of brexit, this a month from xmas. I'm sure they will be delighted to hear nonsense like 'well, you never know, other people in the EU might also end up starving', how that's a positive I'm not sure, seems to be linked with this obsession of borders and nationality
abelard
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What if, instead of imagining how European industry might respond to Brexit, somebody actually went and asked?
German business leaders have raised the alarm over the state of Brexit negotiations and are urging the UK government to soften its position ahead of make-or-break talks with Brussels in the coming weeks.
“We have reached a critical phase. The time that remains is incredibly short,” Joachim Lang, the director-general of Germany’s BDI industry federation, told the Financial Times.
The warning from Berlin echoes concerns expressed last month by the chairman of Keidanren, the influential Japanese business lobby, and highlights growing anxiety among corporate leaders that Britain could topple out of the EU without an accord to smooth the process.
“If there is no agreement by mid-November, German companies will start implementing their emergency plans for a no-deal Brexit,” Mr Lang said. “In a no-deal scenario, and without a transition phase, we would end up with a border and customs regime that no one is prepared for. There would be considerable uncertainty, there would be interruptions to supply chains and the UK industrial base would take a hit.”
Mr Lang also voiced criticism of the UK position as set out in London’s recent Brexit white paper, in particular with regard to its proposal on trade. Among other points, the paper calls for a post-Brexit scenario in which the UK remains part of a single market for goods with the EU, while excluding the free movement of services, capital and people.
“The UK says it wants to keep the free movement for goods but become independent with regard to the other freedoms. We believe that cannot work,” said Mr Lang. Separating goods from services and the flow of people and finance, he added, was simply not possible in the modern economy. “When we sell a piece of machinery today, we don’t just sell the product. We also sell services, data and maintenance,” he said. “You cannot pick one freedom but leave the other three on the sidelines. That simply does not work with modern industrial goods. We are not selling a piece of chocolate.”
His stance was supported by Bernhard Mattes, the president of Germany’s VDA car industry federation, which represents groups such as Volkswagen, Daimler and Bosch. Mr Mattes told the FT: “When you sell an industrial good you don’t just sell iron, steel and plastic — there is always a service that comes with the product.”
In a further sign that pressure is piling up on London, chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said on Sunday that he was “strictly against the British proposal” on post-Brexit trade. “We have a coherent market for goods, services, capital and people - a whole ecosystem that has grown over decades. You cannot play with this by picking out parts,” he told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung in an interview.
Both Mr Mattes and Mr Lang made clear that German industry continued to support the negotiating stance of the European Commission, which has led the Brexit talks on the EU side and has been the target of intense criticism in the UK. “Our message to Brussels is: keep up the good work. We stand fully behind the negotiating position of the European Commission,” Mr Lang said, before adding: “But we also want to keep the UK nearby”.
Prominent Brexit supporters have long voiced hope that German and European business leaders could put pressure on Brussels to offer the UK a favourable Brexit deal. That hope, however, has yet to materialise.
“We need to be realistic, 60 per cent of German exports go to the EU. Only 7 per cent go to the UK, and that share is falling steadily — also as a result of Brexit. That means we know exactly where to put our emphasis. We want to strengthen the EU27, and limit any damage linked to Brexit,” said the BDI’s Mr Lang.
Mr Mattes said: “Our view is that any Brexit deal must have one priority: to maintain and strengthen the cohesion of the remaining 27 member states. We must not give other countries any incentive to leave.”
German business leaders have raised the alarm over the state of Brexit negotiations and are urging the UK government to soften its position ahead of make-or-break talks with Brussels in the coming weeks.
“We have reached a critical phase. The time that remains is incredibly short,” Joachim Lang, the director-general of Germany’s BDI industry federation, told the Financial Times.
The warning from Berlin echoes concerns expressed last month by the chairman of Keidanren, the influential Japanese business lobby, and highlights growing anxiety among corporate leaders that Britain could topple out of the EU without an accord to smooth the process.
“If there is no agreement by mid-November, German companies will start implementing their emergency plans for a no-deal Brexit,” Mr Lang said. “In a no-deal scenario, and without a transition phase, we would end up with a border and customs regime that no one is prepared for. There would be considerable uncertainty, there would be interruptions to supply chains and the UK industrial base would take a hit.”
Mr Lang also voiced criticism of the UK position as set out in London’s recent Brexit white paper, in particular with regard to its proposal on trade. Among other points, the paper calls for a post-Brexit scenario in which the UK remains part of a single market for goods with the EU, while excluding the free movement of services, capital and people.
“The UK says it wants to keep the free movement for goods but become independent with regard to the other freedoms. We believe that cannot work,” said Mr Lang. Separating goods from services and the flow of people and finance, he added, was simply not possible in the modern economy. “When we sell a piece of machinery today, we don’t just sell the product. We also sell services, data and maintenance,” he said. “You cannot pick one freedom but leave the other three on the sidelines. That simply does not work with modern industrial goods. We are not selling a piece of chocolate.”
His stance was supported by Bernhard Mattes, the president of Germany’s VDA car industry federation, which represents groups such as Volkswagen, Daimler and Bosch. Mr Mattes told the FT: “When you sell an industrial good you don’t just sell iron, steel and plastic — there is always a service that comes with the product.”
In a further sign that pressure is piling up on London, chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said on Sunday that he was “strictly against the British proposal” on post-Brexit trade. “We have a coherent market for goods, services, capital and people - a whole ecosystem that has grown over decades. You cannot play with this by picking out parts,” he told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung in an interview.
Both Mr Mattes and Mr Lang made clear that German industry continued to support the negotiating stance of the European Commission, which has led the Brexit talks on the EU side and has been the target of intense criticism in the UK. “Our message to Brussels is: keep up the good work. We stand fully behind the negotiating position of the European Commission,” Mr Lang said, before adding: “But we also want to keep the UK nearby”.
Prominent Brexit supporters have long voiced hope that German and European business leaders could put pressure on Brussels to offer the UK a favourable Brexit deal. That hope, however, has yet to materialise.
“We need to be realistic, 60 per cent of German exports go to the EU. Only 7 per cent go to the UK, and that share is falling steadily — also as a result of Brexit. That means we know exactly where to put our emphasis. We want to strengthen the EU27, and limit any damage linked to Brexit,” said the BDI’s Mr Lang.
Mr Mattes said: “Our view is that any Brexit deal must have one priority: to maintain and strengthen the cohesion of the remaining 27 member states. We must not give other countries any incentive to leave.”
Frang
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Your saying that not me.
I just said it wil be interesting to see how the EU get on without our input.
Stop putting words in my mouth.
For the record I know a hell of a lot of people who are living off food banks at present so life is pretty rough as it is here right now.
'We will be much better off not having to prop up failed EU states.
For all we know the EU could totally destabilise without our input... Will be interesting to see how it goes for them too'
The above is a direct quote, very much seeing the EU suffering as a positive as long as we can pull the ladder up behind us, I first of all don't envisage this scenario and secondly would be ashamed of seeing it as a positive.
As for the food banks, deliberate austerity policies are tantamount to murder in my eyes, I don't see how following farage and rees modd into brexit improves this
Frang
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No no no...
What I'm getting at is the fact that the EU are already saying WE are the losers in all this. We are the ones who will suffer, the EU are doing all they can to ensure that. Hence this shoddy deal.
The EU would prefer us not to leave, they didn't follow a spiv like farage and ask for a referendum. There is only one group of people to blame for this mess and they reside on the british isles
Frang
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Ad I've said before, not one of us can forecast the outcome of this... Everyone might be better off!
put that on the side of a bus, great conviction
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