Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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You make some very interesting points.
The desire to leave was the narrow winning outcome of the referendum. Obviously the country is badly split on the issue.

A carefully worded second referendum would be a further exercise in direct democracy and might produce a clear mandate to try to stop the whole process. It might also produce a very split result according to the options.


If there is a 2nd referendum approx 50% of the voting public will not be happy with the result and I suspect they will not go away quietly whichever way the vote goes.
 
If there is a 2nd referendum approx 50% of the voting public will not be happy with the result and I suspect they will not go away quietly whichever way the vote goes.

That is why only the mandate given by a General Election can overturn that result or result in a 2nd ref. To do it without one is doomed to failure, though that should surprise no one as all the lea
 
If it bothers you that much, you can adjust your settings to be tagged when someone replies to a post of yours.
I get the alerts ok no problem it's just if someone quotes me in their post it's just good ethic @Bruce Wayne has started tagging me now watch a bit of it to day in the HOC it's chaos and messy - May knows she has time to threaten a no deal her way or the heighway on Brexit......her timing has been snide ......
 
Like most normal people, my usual slight distrust of MPs has been replaced by an agonising feeling that I cannot believe a word, from either side, in this whole mess now.

But this deal May has trumpeted? Its a wing a prayer isnt it? With the UK having very little, if any, control over pretty much nothing, like, ever again. But the British PM reckons its sound as. Or what?

@nsno-chris
 
If there is a 2nd referendum approx 50% of the voting public will not be happy with the result and I suspect they will not go away quietly whichever way the vote goes.
Yeah, there is no reason to expect a landslide one way or the other. There are significant social divisions in the various parts of the U.K. class, region, Europe, political party which are not likely to disappear any time soon. I think Farage made it clear a narrow defeat for his side in the first referendum would not have been the end of the matter for him and he would have kept on trying regardless.
 
Currently in London for a conference.

The disparity in infrastructure development between here and the rest of the UK is telling. These are the sorts of issues that need to be dealt with if we are to have any hope in coercing people back toward a pro-EU approach to things.
 
Currently in London for a conference.

The disparity in infrastructure development between here and the rest of the UK is telling. These are the sorts of issues that need to be dealt with if we are to have any hope in coercing people back toward a pro-EU approach to things.

It explains this almost single-handedly:
eurocity_gva.jpg


To think where we'd be today instead if, after the financial crisis, we'd listed to the actual experts - as in, the entire macroecomomic profession, and not The Economist - and invested in infrastructure-driven rather than mindless austerity vandalism.

It is not hard to imagine a future where historians are unanimous that 2010 marked the point of no return.
 
A very interesting account on the radio just now, which reminded me how utterly great it was having control of stuff, and a PM (Churchill) that I am pretty sure @Joey66 has suggested would have aced these negotiations.

Well, in return for a few US battleships helping out in the West Indies, post WW2, he gave away the UK patents for Jet Engines, Radar, and Pennicillan. (soz about the spelling).
 
Economic forecasters that were proved wrong on the Euro, and remain who's stated Armageddon would happen if we dared to vote Out.......
Yes they were all proved wrong weren't they. It was supposed to have collapsed by now but instead its alive and well and staying strong.

Laughing at Leave supporters like you predicting Armageddon for the EU within a few years as well, in true project fear fashion. Unluckily for you the EU is going to be right on your doorstep indefinitely after the UK leaves, and you will find yourself competing against the other 27 of us for jobs and investment.

I can't imagine what you read that causes you to arrive at these views, but you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think any of that is going to happen no matter how much you might want it to.
 
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