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    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

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Democracy/Brexit.....everybody gets what nobody wants.......Barry in Auf Wieder sehen Pet after a vote on what colour to paint the inside of their living quarters
It's not that funny if the Parliment procedures lead us to a no deal Brexit - it might no go to a vote if the deal is voted down ...... the government do not have to put such a deal of just joining the WTO of which we are already members.....
That will be her warning if rejected no one I have heard states a no deal vote has to be put the the HOC just tell the government to renegotiate a new deal with March the 29th looming The EU does not move that fast........or change their minds it's far to kind to them ......
As for a 2nd vote times to short , and the uproar ofit all the cost etc it's a non starter imo and has to come from May who has already ruled it out......
 
It's not that funny if the Parliment procedures lead us to a no deal Brexit - it might no go to a vote if the deal is voted down ...... the government do not have to put such a deal of just joining the WTO of which we are already members.....
That will be her warning if rejected no one I have heard states a no deal vote has to be put the the HOC just tell the government to renegotiate a new deal with March the 29th looming The EU does not move that fast........or change their minds it's far to kind to them ......
As for a 2nd vote times to short , and the uproar ofit all the cost etc it's a non starter imo and has to come from May who has already ruled it out......
Sorry mate, couldn't quite understand your banter there.....run it past me again there's a good chap....
 
Sorry mate, couldn't quite understand your banter there.....run it past me again there's a good chap....
Don't think they have a procedure to put leaving on WTO rules to the vote only a vote to reject the present deal , and debate and send May back to renegotiate with th EU .....
She would have till the end of March .....
We already sit on the WTO it is not in on inconceiveable that the government could go for this or no Brexit at all - both ideas have been mentioned by May ....if her deal is rejected....
A nasty double edged sword to prick the brexiteers or remainers consciences.........
I.e. Blackmail
 
Don't think they have a procedure to put leaving on WTO rules to the vote only a vote to reject the present deal , and debate and send May back to renegotiate with th EU .....
She would have till the end of March .....
We already sit on the WTO it is not in on inconceiveable that the government could go for this or no Brexit at all - both ideas have been mentioned by May ....if her deal is rejected....
A nasty double edged sword to prick the brexiteers or remainers consciences.........
I.e. Blackmail
So, something like err "everyone gets what nobody wants" ???. If democracy was that great we'd all be voting for it lol
 
So, something like err "everyone gets what nobody wants" ???. If democracy was that great we'd all be voting for it lol
That's it something in there for everyone but lasting an eternity in other words one foot in one foot out with the EU 27 having to agree on deals after we have left - plus the cost we might as well stay in or go,for a Norway option reducing contributions.......
It's a poor weak deal which the EU have dominated from day one the divorce why should we pay it we are still tied to them for an eternity 20XX in the legal agreement.....
 
That's it something in there for everyone but lasting an eternity in other words one foot in one foot out with the EU 27 having to agree on deals after we have left - plus the cost we might as well stay in or go,for a Norway option reducing contributions.......
It's a poor weak deal which the EU have dominated from day one the divorce why should we pay it we are still tied to them for an eternity 20XX in the legal agreement.....
lollol you won....get over it lollollol
 
May has essentially pulled a remain agreement which also means we leave.

So we have to do as we are told by the EU but have no say anymore in it.

Basically what the deal is.
 
Yanis Varoufakis: “The EU declared war and Theresa May played along”
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...-eu-declared-war-and-theresa-may-played-along

In 2016, shortly before the EU referendum, Yanis Varoufakis warned that the UK was destined for a “Hotel California Brexit”: it could check out but it could never leave. The former Greek finance minister spoke from experience. In 2015, his efforts to end austerity – “fiscal waterboarding” – were thwarted by the EU (a struggle recorded in his memoir Adults in the Room: My Battle With Europe’s Deep Establishment).

Theresa May’s draft Brexit deal confirmed Varoufakis’s prophecy: the UK would be condemned to purgatory. With fortuitous timing, on the evening that May’s agreement was published, Varoufakis delivered an Oxford Union lecture on Europe’s future. The 57-year-old Marxist and game theorist wryly remarked that Conservative cabinet ministers praised his analysis in private.

“The UK should never have entered the negotiations,” he told me when we met afterwards. “You do not negotiate with the EU because the EU does not negotiate with you. It sends a bureaucrat, in this case it was Mr Barnier…they could have sent an android, or an algorithm.”

May’s fatal error, Varoufakis said, was to accept a two-phase negotiation: a divorce agreement followed by a new trade deal. “This was a declaration of war because Barnier said: ‘You will give us everything we want: money, people, Ireland. And only then will we discuss what you want.’ Well, that isn’t a negotiation, that’s a travesty. And Theresa May agreed to play along.”

But Varoufakis, who helped persuade Jeremy Corbyn to support Remain in 2016, has little sympathy for the “People’s Vote” movement. “It’s offensive. What was the first vote? Wasn’t it a people’s vote? To call it a people’s vote is to try and delegitimise the original vote – to say it was dictatorial, it was rigged.”

He added: “You have to explain two things: first, how are you going to get the referendum completed before the Article 50 period is over? Secondly, how can you have a binary choice between five or six options? Explain those things and I’m with you.”

Has the UK’s difficulties deterred other member states from leaving? “I never thought that the EU would disintegrate as a result of exits,” Varoufakis said. “It is fragmenting without any formal exits. You have Orbán [in Hungary] doing his own thing, the Polish government doing its own thing, the Italian government violating all the rules.” The EU could, he quipped, one day resemble the post-Soviet Commonwealth of Independent States (“I was in Moscow some time ago and noticed there was still an office”) – or, I suggested, the League of Nations.

Angela Merkel, Europe’s pre-eminent leader, has begun her long farewell. I asked Varoufakis how he viewed the liberal adulation of the German austerian. “I’m a dialectician: she has been a disaster and we’re going to miss her. She is a disaster because she squandered immense political capital that could have been used to reshape Europe. But we’re going to miss her because whatever comes next will be worse.”
 
The declaration does sound long-winded and at the end of the day will only deliver a soft Brexit. As predicted by many, the Irish border question has meant that compromise was required and therefore a full blown Brexit for the UK was unattainable. This should of course have been considered in advance, either before the referendum was announced or during the campaign, but instead the outcome is that nobody is pleased because they haven't got what they want.

It's an absolute mess. The only way out of it is to have another referendum where people can decide on the basis that they know what is on the table.
 
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