Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Zaschrona said:
I am from the Czech Republic. So I may see many things totally wrong from here, but well to be honest, I am not too sure why you voted to leave. My believe is it is because of these four reasons that have a lot of in common:
1. Cameron, Tories and their politics = protest against them
2. protest against pathetic EU politics and Germany/Merkel that in fact leads the EU
3. EU and UK immigration policy; I think a lot of people feel that British goverment and the EU give these immigrants an advantage over, that they believe if they live in Britain, the first priority should be to look after British people... and so if they vote for leave, the situation could improve for them
4. EU war against the concept of nation state

Am I wrong, am I right?
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You living in the UK mate?
 
bizzaro said:
I would say - to make it clear to your fellow Czech's that most of this is not about your fellow Czechs. It was actually 48:52.

The issue is that:

Politicians like Jean Claude Juncker got into top EU jobs and then started blocking any sorts of reforms and started verbally abusing the UK.


If politicians like him stop listening to big member states. You know you have problems.


Historically the UK could have blocked any such appointment. However that power was lost.

Two years ago - the FT was reporting this:


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/fc0fbd52-f7c0-11e3-b2cf-00144feabdc0.html#axzz4Ch5SBnj5

Mr Juncker and Britain have a long and complicated history. Then-UK prime minister Tony Blair fought with Mr Juncker over the EU budget in 2007, and the Luxembourger is said to have held a grudge against Britain ever since. British officials also consider him too “federalist” – an advocate of giving up more power to Brussels – though Downing Street itself has argued that the “remorseless logic” of the eurozone is for it to become more centralised.

But Mr Cameron’s objections are as much about the process as the man. If the spitzenkandidaten process takes hold, Britain will lose its ability to block presidents it doesn’t like – as it did in 2004, when it stopped then-Belgian prime minister Guy Verhofstadt, and in 1994, when it vetoed another Belgian prime minister, Jean-Luc Dehaene.

Legally, EU prime ministers only need a weighted majority to select a commission president, but in practice one has never been selected over the objections of one of the EU’s largest member states.

Is it such a big deal if Mr Cameron loses a fight like this in Brussels?

Mr Cameron has taken his knocks in Europe before, most notably when he failed to block the EU’s new fiscal compact treaty imposing tough budget rules on eurozone countries. But he has waged a far higher-profile campaign against Mr Juncker. Defeat is likely to leave a deep and public wound.

British officials have also warned it could make it more likely that British voters decide to leave the EU if Mr Cameron is able to deliver on his promise for an in-or-out referendum in 2017, after he is re-elected. Many EU officials believe it is not an idle threat.

Mr Cameron has vowed to go down fighting, and is expected to force his fellow prime ministers to vote on Mr Juncker’s nomination at an EU summit next week – an unprecedented shift for something that has traditionally been done by consensus.

Many in London and Brussels fear Mr Juncker’s election could be remembered as the beginning of the end of Britain’s membership in the EU.
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Thanks a lot mate. Tbh I can totally see a big calling for Czexit quite soon too for quite similar reasoning as why it had happened in GB - in fact an internet poll on Czexit on the biggest Czech news website has ended 53-47 for Czech leave a few days ago. A big majority of people here absolutely hate Juncker&co mainly because of pathetic leaderships and quotas on immigrants and his threats that EU are going to punish us if we don't agree with EU views. I think a referendum is happening here as soon as you leave the EU - the Czech Republic will then start to pay to EU more than to receive from there via EU grants + sanctions against Russia are probably lifted - and for a lot people here these two things are the main argument why to stay there - extra money + 'lower chances' of Russia invading us again... :blush:
 
Harryflashman said:
Have people seen Faisal Islam the senior political reporter on sky ? Saying that he spoke to a prominent Leave MP and was told that leave have no plan and that Number 10 should have had one . This is genuine even though Islam looks in a bit of shock .
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You can have all the rational discussions in the world about leave or remain but the fact remains that a significant portion of the people who voted leave, do not understand the relevant economic and political consequences to this move. I'm not saying that democracy hasn't spoken or that their vote is wrong, people have different values and considerations which they base their vote on and always will do.

Forgetting for a moment the overwhelmingly negative economic and political consequences that I personally see, the problem facing us right now is there appears to be no strategy on what to do next as you mention in your post, and the leaders of the leave campaign are already going back on the things they campaigned on. There is a very high chance freedom of movement is going to need to be kept in trade concessions and I worry about the position the Leave leaders are in after basing the Leave campaign around an anti immigration stance. Interesting times ahead and I fear for what happens when the realisation hits.

Unless of course, their vote wasn't actually about getting rid of immigrants?
 
bring the ghost on said:
The result gives the SNP a mandate to request a further referendum. They voted to remain, England voted to stay. That is a material change of circumstances from the last referendum, so I'm not sure why you find it ao disgraceful.
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Orrright ghost!
How so (for a further referendum up there)? Scotland is part of the UK. Scotland voted in the UK-wide referendum. Their votes did not win the day (neither did London's or Liverpool's or Norwich's). Sturgeon and the rest need to get over it. They lost...
 
MikeEFC1878x said:
Turn out was less than 40% for 18-24 pal. Don't buy that at all my Gran mother who is nearly 85 voted to remain via postal vote, I knew this because she asked my help, not voted in years you see..
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Agree 100% mate. My nan is 88 and still voted, by post. She voted Leave, because she thinks that is the best way for this country to move forward after she's gone, for the sake of me and her great-grand kids. As always she made an informed decision based on all the information she had been given by both 'camps' coupled with how she perceives the direction this country and her local area has shaped itself over all of her years since we have been both IN and OUT of the EU.

She did not do it 'selfishly' or 'for herself', and I take great offence with anyone who suggests that the elderly are not entitled to as much say as anyone else in this country.
 
Without being a wind up tit which I am, Honestly I am now getting more info from the "in" group than I had in the 6 week build up to the vote

I listened to the radio (5 live at least 6 hours a day) and watched the news and it was constant tit for tat between the two sides

I didn't vote last week for the simple reason I couldn't make my mind up which camp had he most valid points, If the vote was this Thursday I would vote remain
 
Zaschrona said:
May not be the best possible thing I can write in these days on an internet forum, true... lol

From the point of view of my employer, Brexit changes nothing, still want me to move from here to another position in the UK. :)
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Hahaha I jest mate

Hope you come over and enjoy it

Avoid Burnley
 
Darth Vader said:
Without being a wind up tit which I am, Honestly I am now getting more info from the "in" group than I had in the 6 week build up to the vote

I listened to the radio (5 live at least 6 hours a day) and watched the news and it was constant tit for tat between the two sides

I didn't vote last week for the simple reason I couldn't make my mind up which camp had he most valid points, If the vote was this Thursday I would vote remain
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I think a few folk who did vote leave would happily vote stay now, after the nonsense coming out since Thursday.
 
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