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Doubt it mate.
There's real feeling for Scottish independence that will only be bolstered by the Brexit.
As for whether the EU would let them in, my gut feeling is they would.
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There's real feeling for Scottish independence that will only be bolstered by the Brexit.
As for whether the EU would let them in, my gut feeling is they would.
Zaschrona
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I am from the Czech Republic. So I may see many things totally wrong from here, but well to be honest, I am not too sure why you voted to leave. My believe is it is because of these four reasons that have a lot of in common:
1. Cameron, Tories and their politics = protest against them
2. protest against pathetic EU politics and Germany/Merkel that in fact leads the EU
3. EU and UK immigration policy; I think a lot of people feel that British goverment and the EU give these immigrants an advantage over, that they believe if they live in Britain, the first priority should be to look after British people... and so if they vote for leave, the situation could improve for them
4. EU war against the concept of nation state
Am I wrong, am I right?
1. Cameron, Tories and their politics = protest against them
2. protest against pathetic EU politics and Germany/Merkel that in fact leads the EU
3. EU and UK immigration policy; I think a lot of people feel that British goverment and the EU give these immigrants an advantage over, that they believe if they live in Britain, the first priority should be to look after British people... and so if they vote for leave, the situation could improve for them
4. EU war against the concept of nation state
Am I wrong, am I right?
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Whether large numbers of people voted out for all of those reasons I don't know. Probably many people agreed with at least one of those points strongly enough to vote the way they did........
bobbydigital
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His entire answer when pressed for his views on the economic and trade consequences is "we don't know the future so we shouldn't consider it, I want Everton to win the league but I can't say it will happen for certain."
Perhaps considering the future in oh I don't know, a vote that determines our future, may be somewhat relevant.
bizzaro
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1. is wrong.
Jean Claude Juncker's appointment within the European Commission has not helped issues.
He hates the Tories over the Maastricht Treaty. But he also dislikes the UK in general and has made some really quite disgraceful comments about the UK over the years.
The main issue is due to him being in and around the EU for almost 30 years he's entirely resistant to proper reform. Cameron didn't want him. At the point he took office the timebomb started ticking.
This explains much of why this has happened.
How can the ex PM of Luxembourg with 0.5 million population start dictating to the UK with a population of 65 million and one of the worlds largest economies.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/fc0fbd52-f7c0-11e3-b2cf-00144feabdc0.html#axzz4Ch5SBnj5
June 20, 2014 10:00 am
Q&A: The fight over Jean-Claude Juncker and why it matters
By Peter Spiegel in Luxembourg
Juncker was a main driver in the EU not getting agreement on the issue of migration and immigration.
He's a federalist and wants rid of member states entirely. He is one of the main reasons for what has happened.
His arrogance is really quite astounding.
I don't have anything to get over. But why is Gove not wanting to get out of the EU 'job destroying machine'? 2 years seems such a long time to remain in an organisation that 'destroys jobs', surely he would want to be out tomorrow. And they can do that tomorrow by passing a Bill against the European Communities Act 1972, which would make all EU laws redundant. It couldn't be simpler.
I wouldn't trust Gove et al, to get the best deal out of the EU for the working class.
Have people seen Faisal Islam the senior political reporter on sky ? Saying that he spoke to a prominent Leave MP and was told that leave have no plan and that Number 10 should have had one . This is genuine even though Islam looks in a bit of shock .
bobbydigital
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Interesting read. A bit worried it demonises the poor a bit and generalises them as complete morons, but interesting to get an understanding of the different views within such a town.
bizzaro
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I would say - to make it clear to your fellow Czech's that most of this is not about your fellow Czechs. It was actually 48:52.
The issue is that:
Politicians like Jean Claude Juncker got into top EU jobs and then started blocking any sorts of reforms and started verbally abusing the UK.
If politicians like him stop listening to big member states. You know you have problems.
Historically the UK could have blocked any such appointment. However that power was lost.
Two years ago - the FT was reporting this:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/fc0fbd52-f7c0-11e3-b2cf-00144feabdc0.html#axzz4Ch5SBnj5
Mr Juncker and Britain have a long and complicated history. Then-UK prime minister Tony Blair fought with Mr Juncker over the EU budget in 2007, and the Luxembourger is said to have held a grudge against Britain ever since. British officials also consider him too “federalist” – an advocate of giving up more power to Brussels – though Downing Street itself has argued that the “remorseless logic” of the eurozone is for it to become more centralised.
But Mr Cameron’s objections are as much about the process as the man. If the spitzenkandidaten process takes hold, Britain will lose its ability to block presidents it doesn’t like – as it did in 2004, when it stopped then-Belgian prime minister Guy Verhofstadt, and in 1994, when it vetoed another Belgian prime minister, Jean-Luc Dehaene.
Legally, EU prime ministers only need a weighted majority to select a commission president, but in practice one has never been selected over the objections of one of the EU’s largest member states.
Is it such a big deal if Mr Cameron loses a fight like this in Brussels?
Mr Cameron has taken his knocks in Europe before, most notably when he failed to block the EU’s new fiscal compact treaty imposing tough budget rules on eurozone countries. But he has waged a far higher-profile campaign against Mr Juncker. Defeat is likely to leave a deep and public wound.
British officials have also warned it could make it more likely that British voters decide to leave the EU if Mr Cameron is able to deliver on his promise for an in-or-out referendum in 2017, after he is re-elected. Many EU officials believe it is not an idle threat.
Mr Cameron has vowed to go down fighting, and is expected to force his fellow prime ministers to vote on Mr Juncker’s nomination at an EU summit next week – an unprecedented shift for something that has traditionally been done by consensus.
Many in London and Brussels fear Mr Juncker’s election could be remembered as the beginning of the end of Britain’s membership in the EU.
Gwladysstreetlad
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There might very well be a feeling for Scottish independence but the reality is the EU wouldn't take them. You underestimate how afraid Spain are of the possibility that the Catalans would break off, dito for the Italian's with Sicily. It's only takes one veto from member states to block new members and there would most certainly be more then one member blocking an independent Scotland. Furthermore the newly independent Scots would be taking a sizable chuck of the UK debt with them. Do you really think the EU would welcome potentially the next Greece? Because that's what a newly independent Scotland would be.
Youve actually just compared Greece's economic situation to an independent Scotland.
Gwladysstreetlad
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Only in terms of being financially bankrupt. Without any support from the rest of the UK and a third of the national debt there's a very good chance they could end up that way.Youve actually just compared Greece's economic situation to an independent Scotland.
1966efc
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There is a way that the decision could be reversed fairly quickly & without another referendum. Once the new Tory leader is chosen, many punters have forecast s/he will call an early General Election. Labour & the Lib Dems could have a similar manifesto pledge: if elected, we will not invoke chapter 50 and seek withdrawal from the E U.
Now what an interesting election that would be.
Now what an interesting election that would be.
That's what would happen, take the Barnett Money away from Scotland they would be stuffed with a population of 4 million!Youve actually just compared Greece's economic situation to an independent Scotland.
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