Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Toffeelover]

With all the doom and gloom this made me laugh,

But she is hoping for and seeking an expressway entry over the other countries who want to join (those holding the begging bowls out). One little point Nicola the EU is for countries, Scotland is not a country (yet).

 

[ToffeeTim]

Not true.

They voted Remain at the time because they were scaremongered into believing Scotland leaving would mean leaving the EU, which would have been the case.

The stayed because they thought that guaranteed Europe, because at the time Remain was like 70/30 in the polls.

The status quo has now changed. Just like if we were in the EU and they proposed a treaty change, a referendum should be called because we're leaving the EU, or independence should be outright given to Scotland.

Either way, Scotland are gone if we leave the EU. It's a matter of time.

It's not that simple to be honest. There's genuinely no way of quantifying if 62% support for the EU means 50%+ support for independence. The last Scottish Assembly election didn't see the SNP make the gains expected. They did well but no majority. For example, lots and lots of tories voted pro EU in Scotland, but will never in a million years vote to leave the UK.

Sturgeon won't want a vote for at least 5 years would be my guess because she wouldn't win right now or even in a couple of years time.

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

Wishful thinking. They'd get independence by a landslide in a new referendum.

You're forgetting it'd be a vote not just for leaving England, but to join the EU. It's a no brainer for them.

If they get independence best of luck to them, what is great about democracy however I do think they should wait a few years before second ref, just because it turns into a case of ' keep getting ref until we win'

 

[dandydan]

Racist little Englander.

Tnx Hun X.

 

[Tubey]

It's not that simple to be honest. There's genuinely no way of quantifying if 62% support for the EU means 50%+ support for independence. The last Scottish Assembly election didn't see the SNP make the gains expected. They did well but no majority. For example, lots and lots of tories voted pro EU in Scotland, but will never in a million years vote to leave the UK.

Sturgeon won't want a vote for at least 5 years would be my guess because she wouldn't win right now or even in a couple of years time.

We'll see if an opinion poll emerges, but in the wake of Brexit, my instinct tells me that support for independence will be about 60/40. I think you're underestimating how big an impact it makes on things personally.

 

[Toffeelover]

it totally is their right. they have ploughed enough into this country to be able to vote how they please regardless of the consequences, just like all of us have. its disgusting to start blaming the elderly because the vote didnt swing the remain way. ludicrous

The "elderly" were either born just before, during or just after the war. They had great hardship for a couple of decades after the end of the war, following which the majority paid their dues to the country and society. Anything they have achieved has been worked for.

 

[Tubey]

If they get independence best of luck to them, what is great about democracy however I do think they should wait a few years before second ref, just because it turns into a case of ' keep getting ref until we win'

Nah it's not, it's a material change in the arrangement - indeed, it'd be weird if they don't get another referendum. Similarly, if NI want one, they should get one - both regions markedly went against England in the referendum the other day.

 

[Toffeelover]

Wishful thinking. They'd get independence by a landslide in a new referendum.

You're forgetting it'd be a vote not just for leaving England, but to join the EU. It's a no brainer for them.

Tubey, Sturgeon would have gone for an independence date some time in the next 10 years regardless. She has admitted this, she only sees independence just a a matter of time.

 

[Old Blue 2]

the only way you'd get my sister in law into a polling booth was if you told her 'poll' was a euphemism for rock-hard-flute and e'l'ection was just a typo

Post of the thread, 100%. Nearly in tears after reading that!!!

 

[ToffeeTim]

We'll see if an opinion poll emerges, but in the wake of Brexit, my instinct tells me that support for independence will be about 60/40. I think you're underestimating how big an impact it makes on things personally.

Oh you could well be right, I'm just saying it's far from certain at the minute. My hunch would be that the SNP would sneak a win if there was a vote in 5 years time. But it would be very very close. No 20 point margins or anything like that.

 

[Tubey]

Tubey, Sturgeon would have gone for an independence date some time in the next 10 years regardless. She has admitted this, she only sees independence just a a matter of time.

I know, but the difference is we could dismiss her as a political form of sour grapes, because there hadn't been a material change since their last vote. Indeed, I don't think we'd have granted one for another 25-30 years personally.

Now, after Brexit, we have no such argument. She wants one, and indeed should get one. It is what it is.

 

[Milk]

Nah it's not, it's a material change in the arrangement - indeed, it'd be weird if they don't get another referendum. Similarly, if NI want one, they should get one - both regions markedly went against England in the referendum the other day.

Interestingly, the NI are entitled to hold an Irish passport as well as a British one ....... and they are piling into the passport offices demanding Irish ones now!

 

[Tubey]

Interestingly, the NI are entitled to hold an Irish passport as well as a British one ....... and they are piling into the passport offices demanding Irish ones now!

Exactly. I'd get one if I could. It's basically an insurance policy at this point.

 

[hullefc]

Ken Clarke the chancellor who bust his guts to try and join the Euro?
Get over it out won by a million and a half votes!

I don't have to get over anything, because either in or out the working class will get shafted- as they have been done by Duncan Smith, Gove and Johnson. Seeing what they said about the EU - Gove, 'job destroyer' - why aren't they telling the British people when, and how they will start the process of leaving by invoking Article 50. Or put a Bill before parliament against the European Communities Act 1972 . It is so easy to do the leave thing, but I wonder why they seem so reluctant?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Not true.

They voted Remain at the time because they were scaremongered into believing Scotland leaving would mean leaving the EU, which would have been the case.

The stayed because they thought that guaranteed Europe, because at the time Remain was like 70/30 in the polls.

The status quo has now changed. Just like if we were in the EU and they proposed a treaty change, a referendum should be called because we're leaving the EU, or independence should be outright given to Scotland.

Either way, Scotland are gone if we leave the EU. It's a matter of time.

They well they won't be guaranteed membership of EU if they choose to leave the UK. Already several members of the lovely club in Brussels have said so. She knows she has no chance of vetoing a perfectly legitimate vote and this pathetic tantrum hasn't helped her credibility one bit. Scotland had an independence vote a little over a year ago and she lost. Lots of people knew it was a massive mistake joining the Common market and have waited over fourty years for their second chance. Get to the back of the Que Scotland, you had your chance and you blew it.