Current Affairs EU In or Out

[abelard]

In what world does Brexit get blamed for this. You cannot argue that Brexit reduces the number of EU staff while simultaneously showing that the U.K. pays less than anyone else.......

The British Medical Association's world, for starters

I don't understand where you see a contradiction.

Brexit has A) collapsed the value of the currency in which NHS workers are paid and B) made EU NHS workers feel unwelcome and thrown their lives in chaos. C) The wages they are paid are terrible to begin with, thanks not least to Tory austerity.

Ergo the system is in peril because its employees are leaving in droves.

 

[abelard]

Meanwhile,

Thousands of UK workers denied toilet access
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/nov/19/thousands-uk-workers-denied-toilet-access-unite

Thousands of people do not have access to basic toilet facilities in their workplace in the UK, according to a major union.

Unite said it had uncovered evidence of staff at branches of big high-street banks being required to urinate in buckets, and construction sites failing to provide any female toilets.

Bus drivers had been denied toilet breaks for up to five hours, and workers in call centres for big financial institutions were told to log in and out to take a toilet break.

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Yet some of us still struggle to grasp why the promise to "Take Back Control" from obscure and malevolent authorities touched a nerve.

30 months on, and the liberal political class is still too busy promising to listen to actually hear anything...

 

[Harryflashman]

lol
Not surprised its typical EU tactics - LBC this am they were celebrating all week in the bars of the EU how they have stitched up the UK........
I always thought in management as I was a good onew that a draft report was never a final deal yet the EU say otherwise.......
we are dealing with the Devil.........

I heard that report they were celebrating about a stitch up and it was reported by Who exactly joe ? It was a story reported by that bastion of truth and honesty Farage . A bloke who said this whole process would be easy , a fella who reportedly made a fortune shorting the pound over Brexit a bloke who fawns all over trump and somebody that wouldn’t know the truth it it bit him on the behind .

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Meanwhile, in more #projectfear news. Data sharing between the EU and Britain is under threat as talks haven't even begun yet

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk...ted-admits-minister-as-uk-faces-eu-data-wall/

In its “Chequers” White Paper, the UK government called not only for an adequacy decision to permit personal data to be transferred in both directions largely as it is today, but also for a close integration of the UK into the ongoing evolution of EU27 privacy policy.

Prior to the developments of the past few weeks, one might have expected the following sequence of events:

• Brexit takes place in some form other than EEA membership (unfortunately):
• The Commission grants an Adequacy Decision permitting EU27 personal data to be shared with parties in the EU).
• An appeal similar to the Schrems case is filed and works its way up to the ECJ.
• The ECJ rules as they did in Schrems, thus invalidating the Adequacy Decision, but probably allowing the UK and the EU27 time to put other arrangements in place.
• There would then be the risk that data transfers would be blocked until and unless an agreement analogous to Privacy Shield were negotiated between the UK and the EU27. The agreement would ideally be better structured than Privacy Shield, which has not yet been shown to be effective.

In light of the September 13th finding of the ECHR, one has to wonder whether it will still be possible for the Commission to issue the Adequacy Decision that appears in the second bullet. Recall that the ECHR found the UK guilty of abuse of human rights in September due to its overbearing surveillance. Under these circumstances, the Commission may not be able to grant the Adequacy Decision; having granted it, there is no assurance that it would be sustained.

 

[davids]

Note to Boris: You are correct in your assertion that a hard Brexit will be a challenge. That is for millionaires with their funds held in offshore tax havens.For the rest of the UK population it may well prove to be something very different.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Isn't it telling that even the staunchest advocates for this still aren't able to say a single thing that leaving the EU will improve in the lives of people living here. Everything is framed in the vaguest, most ambiguous terms about taking back control, and freedom to do vague things around trade. No one is able to say the slightest specific benefit at all. That should worry leave supporters, but they tend to be exactly the same.

 

[abelard]

Isn't it telling that even the staunchest advocates for this still aren't able to say a single thing that leaving the EU will improve in the lives of people living here. Everything is framed in the vaguest, most ambiguous terms about taking back control, and freedom to do vague things around trade. No one is able to say the slightest specific benefit at all. That should worry leave supporters, but they tend to be exactly the same.

If we really want to ensure that disasters like these never happen again, the more pressing question is why the Remain campaign, and Remain campaigners, were unable to demonstrate that staying in the EU would help those who no longer feel in control of their own lives.

If we want to cure the disease, we can't just settle for patching over the symptons.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If we really want to ensure that disasters like these never happen again, the more pressing question is why the Remain campaign, and Remain campaigners, were unable to demonstrate that staying in the EU would help those who no longer feel in control of their own lives.

If we want to cure the disease, we can't just settle for patching over the symptons.

True, and whilst I agree with what you've said, I have no idea what the answer is. Reason didn't seem to work, especially in the face of outlandish bolderdash that had very little grounding in reality. When someone promises the moon, it's hard to say that a small, iterative improvement is just as attractive, even if you know the moon is completely unrealistic.

 

[orchard]

If we really want to ensure that disasters like these never happen again, the more pressing question is why the Remain campaign, and Remain campaigners, were unable to demonstrate that staying in the EU would help those who no longer feel in control of their own lives.

If we want to cure the disease, we can't just settle for patching over the symptons.

Because Cam's was too busy working for the people that were lobbying him, and besides, he was hardly going to say "Your beef is actually with me and my predecessors." Was he?

 

[dublinbluenose]

If we really want to ensure that disasters like these never happen again, the more pressing question is why the Remain campaign, and Remain campaigners, were unable to demonstrate that staying in the EU would help those who no longer feel in control of their own lives.

If we want to cure the disease, we can't just settle for patching over the symptons.

It's very hard to sell status quo per say, its much easier to make up a load of stuff and sell it in a sexy package of change.

Quite frankly the lack of knowledge and understanding of the basic functions of the EU is breathtaking.

 

[Harryflashman]

Carol Cadwalladr just been on lbc continuing to tell a very interesting tale about the funding for the leave campaign and its connection to Bannon , Russia and Cambridge Analytica.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Carol Cadwalladr just been on lbc continuing to tell a very interesting tale about the funding for the leave campaign and its connection to Bannon , Russia and Cambridge Analytica.

Nobody in government wants to listen, but questions are being asked about it by the Mueller investigation. Could be some interesting questions coming from over the pond.

The BBC barely scratch the surface of these questions as it's hard to grasp the full extent of it in a 2 min interview. It's much easier to get a sound bite from Farrage.

 

[Joey66]

I heard that report they were celebrating about a stitch up and it was reported by Who exactly joe ? It was a story reported by that bastion of truth and honesty Farage . A bloke who said this whole process would be easy , a fella who reportedly made a fortune shorting the pound over Brexit a bloke who fawns all over trump and somebody that wouldn’t know the truth it it bit him on the behind .

Farage the one who predicted an EU army and was shouted down ............

 

[Walken]

Farage the one who predicted an EU army and was shouted down ............

are you fan of Farage Joey? genuine question, as previous to these weeks you always struck me as someone who wanted brexit in spite of farage, boris and rees mogg et al

 

[Joey66]

are you fan of Farage Joey? genuine question, as previous to these weeks you always struck me as someone who wanted brexit in spite of farage, boris and rees mogg et al

I think he gets things right where the EU is concerned - also he is proved to be right - dont like some of his tactics , but FGS he has more go in him that our MPs.......