Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Ruairi77 said:
you can democratically vote again tho, especially if the first vote taken nearly two and a half years ago, wasn't binding.
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Ok Trump may of not liked last night results have another mid term one hey ho.......
it's been 2 years of the EU thwarting leave - only another referendum out of the EU - if we fail and they know we won't........
a good negotiator on our side would have had a take it or leave it on the table within 6 months we would be out by now with a deal - our ace card was the compensation deal - very generous .......
the civil servants have prolonged this as the rich remain side ........
project fear still carries on......
 
Joey66 said:
Ok Trump may of not liked last night results have another mid term one hey ho.......
it's been 2 years of the EU thwarting leave - only another referendum out of the EU - if we fail and they know we won't........
a good negotiator on our side would have had a take it or leave it on the table within 6 months we would be out by now with a deal - our ace card was the compensation deal - very generous .......
the civil servants have prolonged this as the rich remain side ........
project fear still carries on......
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Trump won't like that the democrats took the house but what do ya know, they're all up for re-election in TWO years!
 
Ruairi77 said:
Trump won't like that the democrats took the house but what do ya know, they're all up for re-election in TWO years!
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We will have a GE in three years so what you can't demand a referendum when the first result has not been carried out it not democracy- the EU have a bigger history of overturning votes they don't like.......
 
Joey66 said:
Ok Trump may of not liked last night results have another mid term one hey ho.......
it's been 2 years of the EU thwarting leave - only another referendum out of the EU - if we fail and they know we won't........
a good negotiator on our side would have had a take it or leave it on the table within 6 months we would be out by now with a deal - our ace card was the compensation deal - very generous .......
the civil servants have prolonged this as the rich remain side ........
project fear still carries on......
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I know I’ve said it in response to you what feels like hundreds of times but rich remain side ? You feel Aaron banks , Jacob Rees-mogg , Peter Hargreaves , Boris Johnson , crispin Odey , Farage etc don’t fall into the rich/wealthy side ? Because the poorest of them are multi millionaires and the richest billionaires.
 
Joey66 said:
We will have a GE in three years so what you can't demand a referendum when the first result has not been carried out it not democracy- the EU have a bigger history of overturning votes they don't like.......
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Bit of a stream of consciousness there Joey.
If the people can convince their MP's to push for a peoples vote, and the MP's call for it and it is approved, how is that not a democratic process?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
You're making enormous leaps here Pete based upon very flimsy information.



This is perhaps part of the challenge with Brexit isn't it and why we're in such a pickle? Some people believe that we could be even more international outside of the EU, with Pete broadly falling into this camp, and then there are others who want us to be significantly less international outside of the EU (a Britain first mantra if you like), as above. The notion that there's a single, unifying 'will of the people' on this seems very wide of the mark.



The EU is expanding voluntarily. You'll be suggesting next that the expansion of NAFTA (or other trade blocs) is akin to an invasion. With respect Pete, this parroting of Hunt's line about the EU being equivalent to the Soviet Union is absurd, and former Soviet states rightly derided him for making the comparison. You're only making yourself look equally foolish by following him.
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NAFTA is, as you correctly say, a trade bloc. The EU is no longer a trade block, it is a political entity with its own parliament, its own bank and court. The nearest equivalent was the USSR.....
 
Ruairi77 said:
Bit of a stream of consciousness there Joey.
If the people can convince their MP's to push for a peoples vote, and the MP's call for it and it is approved, how is that not a democratic process?
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A people's vote happened 2 years ago a people's vote is another name for a rerun of people who did not like the defeat....i.e. Another referendum......
No chance......
 
Harryflashman said:
I know I’ve said it in response to you what feels like hundreds of times but rich remain side ? You feel Aaron banks , Jacob Rees-mogg , Peter Hargreaves , Boris Johnson , crispin Odey , Farage etc don’t fall into the rich/wealthy side ? Because the poorest of them are multi millionaires and the richest billionaires.
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Talk about the multi billionnsirs on the Remain side ......the was more money sunk into the Remain campain and you still lost get over it.......
 
Joey66 said:
Talk about the multi billionnsirs on the Remain side ......the was more money sunk into the Remain campain and you still lost get over it.......
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“we won nah nah “ , i appreciate as always the validity of that accurate and superbly delivered point . I’m over it joe have you read any of my posts in this thread , any of them ? I’ve tried to discuss points relevant to the debate but not once have I asked for a new referendum , I tried ridiculously hard not to cause offence or even criticise but if somebody pulls you up on anything you’re reponse is “we won , get over it “ . Yesterday I disagreed with Pete and the point made but told him , and so did others I think , that it was a really well reasoned response because it was and I think that’s what a debate is about surely ? It was significantly more interesting to read than “we won get over it “ , Childish name calling doesn’t feel like it gets us anywhere .

I’m not talking about rich remainers or listing them because I didn’t bring it up you did , I’m replying to you because you mentioned ‘the rich remain side ‘ so I listed the highest profile Brexit backers who are absolutely stinking rich . It seemed a reasoned response , I appreciate that concept may seem alien to you .
 
Joey66 said:
Ok Trump may of not liked last night results have another mid term one hey ho.......
it's been 2 years of the EU thwarting leave - only another referendum out of the EU - if we fail and they know we won't........
a good negotiator on our side would have had a take it or leave it on the table within 6 months we would be out by now with a deal - our ace card was the compensation deal - very generous .......
the civil servants have prolonged this as the rich remain side ........
project fear still carries on......
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Says the person doing his utmost to spread anti-EU fear...
 
The binman chronicles said:
Whoa there cowboy! :)

I agree with you that there is no need for an EU army and I wouldn't particularly want to see one. I also wrote in my post it would be the main ones (who contribute most to any army) that would be required to OK any action, so you would pressume that would be France, Italy, Spain and Germany. And in fairness I doubt countries like Belgium, Netherlands, Austria etc. would agree to be left out of any decision to go to war technically on their behalf without their permission.

Of course if we were in the EU still we would have a big say in the whole thing as along with France it would be the backbone of any force, so I would guess our generals would feature heavily in any planning and orders.

The good news is we won't be apart of it but there are downsides to, while we were an integral piece we could act like a giant handbrake on the whole thing and what they get involved with. Now we can only watch on.
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And that’s fine, we don’t exist to keep the Europeans on the straight and narrow. If they wish to push Russia, fine, it’s none of our business. The same goes for China, Russia and the USA. I’d be more interested in rebuilding our trading and social bridges with the Commonwealth than protecting the likes of Juncker with the lives of the British armed services....
 
Mark O'Silver said:
I seem to recall it was the Tory government of the 1990s that was most keen on the expansion of the EU eastwards and insisted it was included in the Maastricht Treaty. It seems this is now being blamed on Germany/France as everything else usually is by the anti-EU camp.

It should also be said that there is a queue of countries waiting to join the EU voluntarily. Its not some military-style expansion of EU territory as they like to depict it. The real 'Project Fear' comes from the pro-Brexit camp.
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Of course they did, it was the means for its destruction. Have you never watched Yes Minister......
 
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