Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
No I was clubbing it in Liverpool Bruce.... and studying for my stage 1&2 city & guilds in Horticulture on day release and block week release with loads of homework I treated my job as a profession which came to fruition after moving around the country I became a LGO officer in 1986 with shear hard work - I ignored many people who told me there was no money in Horticulture........
I became a member of the IOH - one of the forerunners of peat free growing in nurseries - met Roy lancaster , and the late Geoff Hamilton of Gardeners World fame - I turned down a OND chance at the college of Myerscough in Lancashire, as I could learn more off the growers I worked for - I later was a course prize winner on a NEBBS supervisory course - which to my mind set me up for management in my future career - my young son was aged 4 and he had five house to live in - yes it all fell on a plate for me - Not Bruce hard work, and a supporting wife led me to the top until ill health arose.......
those training vocational city and Guild systems need returning on day release - I attended 8am - 9pm one day per week in term time then block weeks in Lancashire my stage 2 exams were way past A level standards Bruce particularly in Botany where I excelled - I passed with distinction with no pay rise.... as my firm had already put me on top grade - oh by the way I worked a 7 day week ...... to save for my first mortgage.....
Its harder now for the youth of this country I admit , but the university push is out of balance - I would have flopped at a university imo......
My daughter has not she has a top degree, and a Masters but is struggling to get the job she desires........
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Joe I’m only in my late I bought my first house at 20 , on a job that wasn’t that highly paid people just can’t do that now . I’ve had some bad things happen but generally I think overall I’ve been fortunate and I found myself in lucky positions and choices worked out well which is why I can sit back now and enjoy those choices as I reach my 50’s . Most of us worked hard then I certainly didn’t abide by my working time directives but I imagine they work hard now and make it work , the younger people I know most of them do.

I honestly think the likes of house prices meant you had a start , I remember panicking when interest rates went crazy but it gave you something to own and to establish yourself. Now it’s only people like me that buy houses and if they’re lucky rather than turning them over for a quick profit maybe they’ll be rented out to someone like me then , who’ll never own it .
 
Harryflashman said:
Joe I’m only in my late I bought my first house at 20 , on a job that wasn’t that highly paid people just can’t do that now . I’ve had some bad things happen but generally I think overall I’ve been fortunate and I found myself in lucky positions and choices worked out well which is why I can sit back now and enjoy those choices as I reach my 50’s . Most of us worked hard then I certainly didn’t abide by my working time directives but I imagine they work hard now and make it work , the younger people I know most of them do.

I honestly think the likes of house prices meant you had a start , I remember panicking when interest rates went crazy but it gave you something to own and to establish yourself. Now it’s only people like me that buy houses and if they’re lucky rather than turning them over for a quick profit maybe they’ll be rented out to someone like me then , who’ll never own it .
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11 percent mortgage when I started - I qualified for an option mortgage of ten percent a scheme by the Labour government of that time - look I did state times are harder for the youth of today - its Governments fault letting carpet baggers in to have portfolios of houses as income - the incentive to do this could be stopped in tomorrow's budget, but it won't be - as for luck yes it helps ,, but you can make your own luck...... if the environment set by all governments give you an incentive .......
I tried to move within the EU as I voted for free trade got told -NO chance by the way.......
 
Joey66 said:
11 percent mortgage when I started - I qualified for an option mortgage of ten percent a scheme by the Labour government of that time - look I did state times are harder for the youth of today - its Governments fault letting carpet baggers in to have portfolios of houses as income - the incentive to do this could be stopped in tomorrow's budget, but it won't be - as for luck yes it helps ,, but you can make your own luck...... if the environment set by all governments give you an incentive .......
I tried to move within the EU as I voted for free trade got told -NO chance by the way.......
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Yeah Think I was around 10% but within about 18 months it rose to 15% ,.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I didn't say that. I said that those areas of the country that voted to leave won't be the areas that make Britain a success (by and large). For instance, the following towns all voted over 70% to leave: Boston, South Holland, Castle Point, Thurrock and Great Yarmouth. Are you honestly saying that post-Brexit Britain will be made a success by the fruits of their collective labour? That the people living there are entrepreneurial renegades who are being held back by the bureaucracy in Brussels?
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In spite of all your perceived intelligence, let me put you straight on one thing. In an overarching democracy, one cannot be selective as to who contributes what for the collective good of all. All have a role to play, however large or small, and it is the contribution of the many which produces the achievement of the whole.

In other words, THIS COUNTRY/UK IS NOT ALL ABOUT LONDON, AND THE SPHERE IN WHICH YOU OPERATE!
 
Old Blue 2 said:
In spite of all your perceived intelligence, let me put you straight on one thing. In an overarching democracy, one cannot be selective as to who contributes what for the collective good of all. All have a role to play, however large or small, and it is the contribution of the many which produces the achievement of the whole.

In other words, THIS COUNTRY/UK IS NOT ALL ABOUT LONDON, AND THE SPHERE IN WHICH YOU OPERATE!
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*shrug* you commented that leave voters are bravely driving a change in the economy of the UK in a way that remain voting stick in the muds aren't. I merely said that isn't supported by any evidence. By the way, for London, you can also add Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Belfast, Cambridge, Oxford and Cardiff.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
*shrug* you commented that leave voters are bravely driving a change in the economy of the UK in a way that remain voting stick in the muds aren't. I merely said that isn't supported by any evidence. By the way, for London, you can also add Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Belfast, Cambridge, Oxford and Cardiff.
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You are very dismissive of people outside of the great metropolitan areas though Bruce. We all understand that London makes shed loads of money, but most manufacturing is outside of cities, and all food production is outside of cities. Without the countryside, the cities would simply die. Without the cities, the countryside would just continue, but without all of the stupid laws introduced just because of London.......
 
peteblue said:
You are very dismissive of people outside of the great metropolitan areas though Bruce. We all understand that London makes shed loads of money, but most manufacturing is outside of cities, and all food production is outside of cities. Without the countryside, the cities would simply die. Without the cities, the countryside would just continue, but without all of the stupid laws introduced just because of London.......
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I don't think we're talking about that though are we? If you look at the industrial strategy, for instance, it talks about areas such as AI, medtech, clean energy and mobility. These are all areas where the government clearly thinks if we are to 'trade with the world' then these are the areas we should focus on. They are all, by and large, knowledge economy fields that require highly skilled people. These are nearly always found in universities, which are found in towns and cities that nearly all voted remain.

You'll find no argument from me that the places that tended to vote leave have grievances that should be listened to, and listened to a lot more than this Brexiting government are at the moment, but the notion that we'll be relying on them to drive growth and prosperity in our economy seems far fetched. Is it a coincidence that there has been literally nothing from the government, or even core Brexit supporters, on how leaving will support the areas that voted for it, or indeed how those areas will drive the country forward from next March?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
*shrug* you commented that leave voters are bravely driving a change in the economy of the UK in a way that remain voting stick in the muds aren't. I merely said that isn't supported by any evidence. By the way, for London, you can also add Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Belfast, Cambridge, Oxford and Cardiff.
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Let's lay it out straight here, Bruce.

Across more than a thousand pages of this thread you have stated time and time again that the big cities voted remain, and that the big cities generate most of the wealth of the UK, and therefore the rest of the areas of the UK count for little or nothing and the views of those who occupy those places are not worth the proverbial carrot, in so many words.

Let's call you out on this, as I'm fed up with the likes of you showing your arrogant, dismissive, attitude of others. You are one of many millions in this country, and your arrogant views carry no more weight or value than anybody else. Given your superior attitude, I would say they actually count for less, as the sneering tone you adopt against anyone who does not hold your views, or does not support you in any way, coupled with the personal attacks, I would think you would have been banned by now had you not been a Mod...

Absolutely disgraceful attitude...
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Unlike you to react to any challenge of your views so dramatically.
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QED, Bruce. QED.

You try to turn it on others ALL the time. Sorry mate, I, and others, can see right through you...

Suggest you keep your sneering capital-based jibes to yourself. You really are lowering the tone of debate in this thread. You have done so from the start.
 
Old Blue 2 said:
and therefore the rest of the areas of the UK count for little or nothing and the views of those who occupy those places are not worth the proverbial carrot, in so many words.
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You should actually read what he, and others, write mate.

In a nutshell, what frustrates many on the Remain side is that the ability and powers to address a lot of the concerns of non city livers, (I am one btw), exist within the current UK laws. For some reason they choose not to use them, and/or finance them, being perfectly happy to let folk lay their local concerns solely at the feet of the EU.

And now we arrive at this place.
 
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