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I've been banging on about that to you for ages, Bruce, and you haven't accepted it...
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I've been banging on about that to you for ages, Bruce, and you haven't accepted it...
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Because I don't buy your notion that leave voters are striving for change. If anything, most of the comments speak of going back to a bygone age rather than accepting the reality of today. As Alan Kay famously said, the best way to predict the future is to make it, and the vast majority of people who are making the technologies and businesses of tomorrow wanted to remain in the EU. Do you really think the small towns who voted to leave are going to be the places that will drive Britain forward? And that's not some urban metropolitan arrogance, but the reality of where we are.
Each year the world patent office team up with INSEAD to produce a global innovation index. They probably use around 100 metrics to gauge the innovative potential and capability of a nation. I challenge you to find a single one of those metrics that will be higher in a leave voting area than they are in a remain voting area. This idea that leavers are the forethinkers leading us to a better future is completely removed from reality.
peteblue
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Indeed Bruce, we are leaving the EU, things change and you’ve got to change with them......
peteblue
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So it’s the old ‘Leavers are stupid’ argument again is it........
I didn't say that. I said that those areas of the country that voted to leave won't be the areas that make Britain a success (by and large). For instance, the following towns all voted over 70% to leave: Boston, South Holland, Castle Point, Thurrock and Great Yarmouth. Are you honestly saying that post-Brexit Britain will be made a success by the fruits of their collective labour? That the people living there are entrepreneurial renegades who are being held back by the bureaucracy in Brussels?
It's unfortunate then really that the forethinkers who voted to leave haven't managed to create a single unifying vision for how Britain will be better off next March.
I guess the same could by said by the opposite side.
Things need to change. I happen to believe that leaving the EU will be a bad change to make, but it's the change people voted for.
Mr. White
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Boston had the highest % vote to leave in the country. It also has the highest concentration of EU migrants outside of London. So perhaps the people of Boston are very well placed to vote against one of the four pillars of the European Union.
An effectively unlimited supply of people and labour, and competition for jobs, suppresses wages. It also increases the cost of housing. So if people can't get a pay rise or afford to buy their own home, then yes, I'd say that they are being held back by the EU.
What is good for business is not always good for the individual. And business didn't get to vote. The people of Boston did.
An effectively unlimited supply of people and labour, and competition for jobs, suppresses wages. It also increases the cost of housing. So if people can't get a pay rise or afford to buy their own home, then yes, I'd say that they are being held back by the EU.
What is good for business is not always good for the individual. And business didn't get to vote. The people of Boston did.
roydo
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Why is that mate?
- Increase the minimum wage.
- Get rid of zero hours contracts.
- Crack down on agencies that abuse cheap overseas labour.
- Build more houses.
There you go, problem solved.
Mr. White
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I don't live in Boston. And there are plenty of news articles on the subject.
But as I said, perhaps the people of Boston are well placed to pass judgement. Not a decision based on 'lies, ignorance, being old or racist', but a decision made on how it has affected their day to day lives over the years. It was a decision based on first hand experience. And they voted against the EU.
roydo
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I have said many times that folk will generally vote in or out based on their own experiences, and that there were a myriad of reasons why folk might vote leave.
Trouble is, a lot of the powers to address the issues the people of Boston blame solely on the EU, are already available to the UK Government anyrate. Perhaps they were looking in the wrong place?
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1 - The Tories have. And lowered income tax so we keep more of it. That doesn't stop certain areas from having a wage much lower than the national average.
2 - In seasonal farming jobs?
3 - relevance?
4 - Agree. But a city the size of Coventry every single year?
- Do it again.
- Yes.
- Stop people from seeking cheaper overseas labour for jobs here.
- Yes.
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