If it rules out poor working practices then it's a good thing.......
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in memoriam - 1965-2024
It was going on before Brexit - Labour up in arms over it then went very quiet over the practices I mentioned including the jobs being advertised only in the EU.......
roydo
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And leaving the EU improves that how?
Again, Boston voted 76% to leave, but acknowledge the EU workers are vital to the local economy, but dont like them,
I dont get it.
If we both lived there we might ?
I've known a few people who have done that kind of work, and most did so because they gained experience living and working in another country as well as a bit of pocket money. It's seldom a long term thing. It's perhaps less well known that a lot of charities operate on a similar basis. Indeed, my missus first came to Britain as part of a scheme with the Sue Ryder charity. They were given lodgings in a property and paid a fairly small sum as a result. Many comes as au pairs on a similar arrangement. The thing is, it's largely temporary, with most using it as a stepping stone to better work.
In neither situation is it depriving a native of a job, as they largely don't want to work for small wages and free lodgings, and because people tend to work their way up to better work, it's benefiting UK society, both in the short-term and the long-term.
It's also not something that's confined to the UK, as there being similar farm related (and other) jobs that give you lodgings and a bit of pocket money for work, and you see a bit of a foreign country, learn a language and expand your horizons a bit. There's nothing to stop the young people of Boston doing a similar thing if they wanted, but I doubt they do.
It's also perhaps worth pointing out that farm technology is becoming increasingly effective, with robots now capable of picking relatively soft fruits. If the belief is that we'll shut out EU farm workers and there will be a long-term supply of jobs for natives, I wouldn't be so sure of that.
How do you know that Bruce ? That UK people would not do the job?
The work is more mechanised now ever ...
It's repetive , but skilful .....
I think it’s more to do with the location of the agriculture industry.
Most of these fruit/crop picking jobs are in the middle of nowhere with limited public transport and no native local workforce.
A lot of young locals want to live and work in urban areas with all the mod cons at their disposal, shops, bars, transport, leisure facilities etc.
So that IMO is the problem. The industry cannot attract the local workforce so it has to look to the EU. In recent years a workforce from Eastern Europe has done the job admirably. They work a 5-6 month season then go home for the winter.
This year however because of the Brexit situation a lot of them didn’t come back choosing Germany / France instead. Industry figures show a 40% shortfall in filled seasonal agricultural jobs.
If none of them are allowed to return then where does that leave the industry? Farmers will have to invest in complex and expensive machinery and automated systems to pick and distribute their crops. This in turn will lead to initial shortfalls and more expensive produce.
Therefore as I see it we need the seasonal foreign labour force to work our fields to put the produce in our shops at a reasonable price.
Again all guess work in a programme documentary of the old UK people living in the big cities travelled out in the summer season to gladly do these jobs which were in those days far more backbreaking.....
So history is on the UKs side if employees are treated decently they will do the work ...most farms are above board some are run by gang masters where employment law does not exist - neither EU or UK workers should be treated this way ...
I reiterate Labour were banging the drum on cheap EU Labour in all industries before Brexit - they have now gone quiet on these issues......
Right Joey, grab yer bag and get yourself out to Burscough and start picking spuds
I’m now sitting on 4 seperate sub groups that have been devised from the initial HMRC Brexit working group
It’s a shambles, every week a different “working option” is being investigated. There is no direction and these technical notes which have been release.......here is a insight to anyone following them: they’re a load of rubbish and not what is being put forward by the stakeholders.
The latest working group is now for Tariff Free trade, a complete 180 from what was being discussed at a previous meeting.
This is a mess of epic proportions; and Ireland is still no closer
It’s a shambles, every week a different “working option” is being investigated. There is no direction and these technical notes which have been release.......here is a insight to anyone following them: they’re a load of rubbish and not what is being put forward by the stakeholders.
The latest working group is now for Tariff Free trade, a complete 180 from what was being discussed at a previous meeting.
This is a mess of epic proportions; and Ireland is still no closer
Nice Lancashire potatoes - the soil gives them that flavour too - my days of field work are over , but I used to line 140,000 wallflowers out in stright lines with just two other operatives, doing the splits to bang as many in as possible -then rotavatovate the rows planting by hand - forking them up by hand in thick frost ... on a mere £14 in 1974.....Right Joey, grab yer bag and get yourself out to Burscough and start picking spuds
I bet you used to live in a tiny old house with holes in the roof too?
No I was clubbing it in Liverpool Bruce.... and studying for my stage 1&2 city & guilds in Horticulture on day release and block week release with loads of homework I treated my job as a profession which came to fruition after moving around the country I became a LGO officer in 1986 with shear hard work - I ignored many people who told me there was no money in Horticulture........
I became a member of the IOH - one of the forerunners of peat free growing in nurseries - met Roy lancaster , and the late Geoff Hamilton of Gardeners World fame - I turned down a OND chance at the college of Myerscough in Lancashire, as I could learn more off the growers I worked for - I later was a course prize winner on a NEBBS supervisory course - which to my mind set me up for management in my future career - my young son was aged 4 and he had five house to live in - yes it all fell on a plate for me - Not Bruce hard work, and a supporting wife led me to the top until ill health arose.......
those training vocational city and Guild systems need returning on day release - I attended 8am - 9pm one day per week in term time then block weeks in Lancashire my stage 2 exams were way past A level standards Bruce particularly in Botany where I excelled - I passed with distinction with no pay rise.... as my firm had already put me on top grade - oh by the way I worked a 7 day week ...... to save for my first mortgage.....
Its harder now for the youth of this country I admit , but the university push is out of balance - I would have flopped at a university imo......
My daughter has not she has a top degree, and a Masters but is struggling to get the job she desires........
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