Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

What Bruce said. Italy are in a pickle, and their Government wont do what the EU/Germany/France want them to do.

And Italy know they are too big for an EU/Euro bail out a'la Greece/Portugal etc.

So, the price (The Spread) Italy have to pay to borrow/issue gilts, have widened to alarming levels.

Massive fudge incoming.

What a great club to be a member of - plus the same idiots now who argue v Brexit stated it was so vital we joined the Euro........
We would have been in a right mess now with no powers to use quantitative easing of our own currency........
Thank goodness Gordon brown ignored Blair and kept us out of the Euro .......
and yes it does matter as this is what the EU like to impose on countries a currency of which has hurt most members...... apart from the elite few.........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What a great club to be a member of - plus the same idiots now who argue v Brexit stated it was so vital we joined the Euro........
We would have been in a right mess now with no powers to use quantitative easing of our own currency........
Thank goodness Gordon brown ignored Blair and kept us out of the Euro .......
and yes it does matter as this is what the EU like to impose on countries a currency of which has hurt most members...... apart from the elite few.........

So something like this that wouldn't affect the UK at all is terrible, yet the government admitting that the NHS have absolutely no contingency for the no deal Brexit you and others so desire is fine and dandy?

 

[roydo]

What a great club to be a member of - plus the same idiots now who argue v Brexit stated it was so vital we joined the Euro........
We would have been in a right mess now with no powers to use quantitative easing of our own currency........
Thank goodness Gordon brown ignored Blair and kept us out of the Euro .......
and yes it does matter as this is what the EU like to impose on countries a currency of which has hurt most members...... apart from the elite few.........

Not me mate. Always said the Euro was a bad idea, the way they went about it.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Interesting article from Richard Corbett and the effect Brexit will have on civil aviation.

https://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/brexit-briefings/brexit-and-aviation/

To be able to fly across borders, there must be an agreement in place between the countries concerned. Britain has agreements with over 150 countries. Traditionally, these are extremely restrictive, governing down to individual flight slots for specified airlines. Far and away the most permissive and enabling is what we have secured within the European Union.

Today, any British airline can fly anywhere it likes in the EU. It can sell tickets to anyone across the 28 member states without restriction. It can fly not just to, but within another member state.

The EU’s single market with common rules for aviation (the European Common Aviation Area arrangements or “Single European Sky”) has enabled this.

Britain has the largest aviation network in Europe and the third largest in the world. This is not simply a matter of convenient travel – it is a vital economic sector, creating a million jobs, bringing in tax revenues and facilitating business links for our exporters. Airlines based in Britain can operate flights from, say, France to Germany without the aircraft ever touching down at a British airport. They can operate within, say, Italy between Milan and Naples. EasyJet, now the UK’s largest airline, wouldn’t even exist if it hadn’t been for the EU.

It’s not just about companies: the single market in aviation has transformed flying for consumers. Fares across Europe are down by around 40% in real terms, with greater choice and competition and new routes across the EU opening up all the time. British consumers have benefitted the most, representing a quarter of all European passengers.

And part of the deal for consumers is a common system of Passenger Rights. Airline passengers can claim compensation for delayed and cancelled flights anywhere in the EU. Airlines have a duty of care to delayed passengers. They also have to cater for the needs of disabled passengers and others in need of assistance.

Battles are still being fought with some airlines on how they apply these rules, and also on how they treat their own staff, but securing better conditions at European level is the best way to avoid them circumventing rules by basing themselves in the country with the lowest standards. The same is true about efforts to make transport in general, and airlines in particular, more energy efficient and environmentally sustainable, where EU cooperation on research, legislation and inspection all help.

All this is now in jeopardy. Unless the government negotiates a specific deal on this (or Britain changes its mind about Brexit)


@Joey66 you'd better cancel your hols to Benidorm next year mate - its Blackpool from now on!

 

[Joey66]

Interesting article from Richard Corbett and the effect Brexit will have on civil aviation.

https://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/brexit-briefings/brexit-and-aviation/

To be able to fly across borders, there must be an agreement in place between the countries concerned. Britain has agreements with over 150 countries. Traditionally, these are extremely restrictive, governing down to individual flight slots for specified airlines. Far and away the most permissive and enabling is what we have secured within the European Union.

Today, any British airline can fly anywhere it likes in the EU. It can sell tickets to anyone across the 28 member states without restriction. It can fly not just to, but within another member state.

The EU’s single market with common rules for aviation (the European Common Aviation Area arrangements or “Single European Sky”) has enabled this.

Britain has the largest aviation network in Europe and the third largest in the world. This is not simply a matter of convenient travel – it is a vital economic sector, creating a million jobs, bringing in tax revenues and facilitating business links for our exporters. Airlines based in Britain can operate flights from, say, France to Germany without the aircraft ever touching down at a British airport. They can operate within, say, Italy between Milan and Naples. EasyJet, now the UK’s largest airline, wouldn’t even exist if it hadn’t been for the EU.

It’s not just about companies: the single market in aviation has transformed flying for consumers. Fares across Europe are down by around 40% in real terms, with greater choice and competition and new routes across the EU opening up all the time. British consumers have benefitted the most, representing a quarter of all European passengers.

And part of the deal for consumers is a common system of Passenger Rights. Airline passengers can claim compensation for delayed and cancelled flights anywhere in the EU. Airlines have a duty of care to delayed passengers. They also have to cater for the needs of disabled passengers and others in need of assistance.

Battles are still being fought with some airlines on how they apply these rules, and also on how they treat their own staff, but securing better conditions at European level is the best way to avoid them circumventing rules by basing themselves in the country with the lowest standards. The same is true about efforts to make transport in general, and airlines in particular, more energy efficient and environmentally sustainable, where EU cooperation on research, legislation and inspection all help.

All this is now in jeopardy. Unless the government negotiates a specific deal on this (or Britain changes its mind about Brexit)


@Joey66 you'd better cancel your hols to Benidorm next year mate - its Blackpool from now on!

I don't go abroad so no need to cancel anything - not been to Blackpool for many years ..... project fear raises its head again.....

 

[Joey66]

So something like this that wouldn't affect the UK at all is terrible, yet the government admitting that the NHS have absolutely no contingency for the no deal Brexit you and others so desire is fine and dandy?

We were discussing the Italian budget who are being told by the EU to reverse it - some sovierinty Italy have ......
It's reported that this incident is far worse than Brexit concerning the EU.......

 

[Old Blue 2]

I've got my digital camera on charge as I write, so I can capture the sky falling in next March...

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I don't go abroad so no need to cancel anything - not been to Blackpool for many years ..... project fear raises its head again.....

As long as you're sorted Joey - then that's okay!

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

What a great club to be a member of - plus the same idiots now who argue v Brexit stated it was so vital we joined the Euro........
We would have been in a right mess now with no powers to use quantitative easing of our own currency........
Thank goodness Gordon brown ignored Blair and kept us out of the Euro .......
and yes it does matter as this is what the EU like to impose on countries a currency of which has hurt most members...... apart from the elite few.........

As I said to you before it hasn't hurt Ireland, it's has been beneficial for us and we are not 'one of the elite'. So your allegation is wrong and smells of Project Fear, the very thing you accuse others of indulging in.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Interesting article from Richard Corbett and the effect Brexit will have on civil aviation.

https://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/brexit-briefings/brexit-and-aviation/

To be able to fly across borders, there must be an agreement in place between the countries concerned. Britain has agreements with over 150 countries. Traditionally, these are extremely restrictive, governing down to individual flight slots for specified airlines. Far and away the most permissive and enabling is what we have secured within the European Union.

Today, any British airline can fly anywhere it likes in the EU. It can sell tickets to anyone across the 28 member states without restriction. It can fly not just to, but within another member state.

The EU’s single market with common rules for aviation (the European Common Aviation Area arrangements or “Single European Sky”) has enabled this.

Britain has the largest aviation network in Europe and the third largest in the world. This is not simply a matter of convenient travel – it is a vital economic sector, creating a million jobs, bringing in tax revenues and facilitating business links for our exporters. Airlines based in Britain can operate flights from, say, France to Germany without the aircraft ever touching down at a British airport. They can operate within, say, Italy between Milan and Naples. EasyJet, now the UK’s largest airline, wouldn’t even exist if it hadn’t been for the EU.

It’s not just about companies: the single market in aviation has transformed flying for consumers. Fares across Europe are down by around 40% in real terms, with greater choice and competition and new routes across the EU opening up all the time. British consumers have benefitted the most, representing a quarter of all European passengers.

And part of the deal for consumers is a common system of Passenger Rights. Airline passengers can claim compensation for delayed and cancelled flights anywhere in the EU. Airlines have a duty of care to delayed passengers. They also have to cater for the needs of disabled passengers and others in need of assistance.

Battles are still being fought with some airlines on how they apply these rules, and also on how they treat their own staff, but securing better conditions at European level is the best way to avoid them circumventing rules by basing themselves in the country with the lowest standards. The same is true about efforts to make transport in general, and airlines in particular, more energy efficient and environmentally sustainable, where EU cooperation on research, legislation and inspection all help.

All this is now in jeopardy. Unless the government negotiates a specific deal on this (or Britain changes its mind about Brexit)


@Joey66 you'd better cancel your hols to Benidorm next year mate - its Blackpool from now on!

Not only the flying issue, but seemingly simple things like the lack of roaming charges when you use your mobile data in Europe is hugely convenient. I don't know, but I suspect that will be gone if/when we leave. Couple that with the lack of passport controls, and travelling within the EU is so easy.

 

[Joey66]

As long as you're sorted Joey - then that's okay!

No I am not sorted - Again project fear is being ramped up by your post - before we joined the common market I can remember in the late 1960,s Benidorm was easilily accessable form the UK.......
In fact it was so easy you could get a temporary monthly passport from the post office ....
Just as times Chang a negotiated Brexit deal will not change travel .....

 

[Joey66]

As I said to you before it hasn't hurt Ireland, it's has been beneficial for us and we are not 'one of the elite'. So your allegation is wrong and smells of Project Fear, the very thing you accuse others of indulging in.

You were not that elite in 2008 when a run on your banks because of being in the Euro - the BOE instantly helped you out.........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No I am not sorted - Again project fear is being ramped up by your post - before we joined the common market I can remember in the late 1960,s Benidorm was easilily accessable form the UK.......
In fact it was so easy you could get a temporary monthly passport from the post office ....
Just as times Chang a negotiated Brexit deal will not change travel .....

You don't know that at all Joey.

 

[Joey66]

You don't know that at all Joey.

Nor to you, or other remainers yet project fears is ramping up a people's vote another posh word for a 2nd referendum and we have not even left the EU as yet .......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

You were not that elite in 2008 when a run on your banks because of being in the Euro - the BOE instantly helped you out.........

The banking crisis was not due to us being in the Eurozone I'm afraid, so wrong again.