Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
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Bruce Wayne said:
Aye, it's generally rubbish, but rather than viewing things in a way that 'we' started this by voting to leave, I suspect many leave voters will regard that as Europe never like us anyway and we're right to leave those horrible people and team up with those who have historically (been forced to) like us.
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Correct......
 
peteblue said:
Correct......
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That isn't the case whatsoever though Pete, and certainly not in the Europeans that I've met. I've said it numerous times before, but people like Geert Hofstede have looked into this kind of thing, and found that there is a lot that binds people together across Europe. Indeed, a resident of London is more likely to be similar to a resident of Paris, Berlin and Budapest than they are of Wigan. So those residents of Paris, Berlin and Budapest have simply been sad about what Britain is doing. Not angry. Not bitter. Just sad (and a bit bewildered), but then that sums up people in London's view quite aptly to be honest.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
That isn't the case whatsoever though Pete, and certainly not in the Europeans that I've met. I've said it numerous times before, but people like Geert Hofstede have looked into this kind of thing, and found that there is a lot that binds people together across Europe. Indeed, a resident of London is more likely to be similar to a resident of Paris, Berlin and Budapest than they are of Wigan. So those residents of Paris, Berlin and Budapest have simply been sad about what Britain is doing. Not angry. Not bitter. Just sad (and a bit bewildered), but then that sums up people in London's view quite aptly to be honest.
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And all of the people I have ever dealt with around the world have been exactly the same Bruce, New York, Tokyo, Johannesburg, Hong Kong, all lovely people who I get on very well with. But I don’t want to live under their laws and I want the ability to at least allow my vote to count in determining who our lawmakers and executive will be. It’s bad enough in the U.K. where laws introduced to solve problems in London are then foisted upon the rest of us,.....
 
peteblue said:
And all of the people I have ever dealt with around the world have been exactly the same Bruce, New York, Tokyo, Johannesburg, Hong Kong, all lovely people who I get on very well with. But I don’t want to live under their laws and I want the ability to at least allow my vote to count in determining who our lawmakers and executive will be. It’s bad enough in the U.K. where laws introduced to solve problems in London are then foisted upon the rest of us,.....
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That is the global society we live in though isn't it? Or does your trading with the world mantra involve rolling back on globalisation?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
That is the global society we live in though isn't it? Or does your trading with the world mantra involve rolling back on globalisation?
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I am very comfortable trading with the world. I have done it all my life and enjoyed every minute of it. I also enjoyed working with my friends and colleagues all across Europe. We don’t live in a global society Bruce. It doesn’t exist. We live in a world where arrangements are put in place to enable different peoples and cultures to trade and visit each other, and to generally get on with our lives........
 
peteblue said:
I am very comfortable trading with the world. I have done it all my life and enjoyed every minute of it. I also enjoyed working with my friends and colleagues all across Europe. We don’t live in a global society Bruce. It doesn’t exist. We live in a world where arrangements are put in place to enable different peoples and cultures to trade and visit each other, and to generally get on with our lives........
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You said you don't want other people making our rules, but that isn't how global trade works, as whether it's bilateral/multilateral trade deals or the single market, there are rules that govern how parties to those arrangements can operate. When you trade globally, there are rules and standards that make that trade function, and that's a good thing. It makes sense and has delivered tremendous results for the world.

I mean I was with a bunch of Scandinavian data scientists yesterday, most of whom worked for multinationals, and it's blindingly obvious that for the data within their business it makes perfect sense to have common standards, common nomenclature, common processes so that everything works together. Local teams don't complain about not being able to do their own thing as they need to work together. You then extend that to the wider supply chain, where it's increasingly common for standards to be filtered down through the supply chain, whether it's manufacturers mandating lean or Microsoft mandating maternity pay. Again, those in most instances make perfect sense as the ecosystem needs to run smoothly together.

That's essentially what the common market does, and it allows for this level of integration like no other trade deal on earth.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
You said you don't want other people making our rules, but that isn't how global trade works, as whether it's bilateral/multilateral trade deals or the single market, there are rules that govern how parties to those arrangements can operate. When you trade globally, there are rules and standards that make that trade function, and that's a good thing. It makes sense and has delivered tremendous results for the world.

I mean I was with a bunch of Scandinavian data scientists yesterday, most of whom worked for multinationals, and it's blindingly obvious that for the data within their business it makes perfect sense to have common standards, common nomenclature, common processes so that everything works together. Local teams don't complain about not being able to do their own thing as they need to work together. You then extend that to the wider supply chain, where it's increasingly common for standards to be filtered down through the supply chain, whether it's manufacturers mandating lean or Microsoft mandating maternity pay. Again, those in most instances make perfect sense as the ecosystem needs to run smoothly together.

That's essentially what the common market does, and it allows for this level of integration like no other trade deal on earth.
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Great post, Bruce.
 
Billy Dean said:
"What a pathetic excuse for a leader" - that's at least one thing Leave and Remain can agree on.
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she wants another year so's that she can pass the buck on and will not be known as the PM that delivered Brexit.

if it does go on another year, I fully expect Rees-Mogg to be the party leader and probably PM
 
Billy Dean said:
"What a pathetic excuse for a leader" - that's at least one thing Leave and Remain can agree on.
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Indeed.

But in fairness to her, she was handed the most toxic of poisoned chalices by the pathetic weakling whom preceded her and ruined his own career by running scared of the cartoon figure that is Nigel Farage and his motley bunch of UKIP misfits.
 
How long will it take for 45 letters to go in to get rid of her - only at am yesterday she was spouting the definite leave date - 8 hours later dithering Maybot is all over the place - the fact is if we go past the date by one month it will cost the UK Billions to the EU according to Bill Cash - if they do not have the bottle to remove her - I may vote for Corbyn a marxist against my principles , but that is where we are heading she is trying to hang on to power a remainer in a brexit government.......
Oh and Esther Macvey owes 1 & 1/2 billion to the sick benefit claimants this is a mess of a government........
 
I said to pete the other day if she’d been a leaver originally or in a stronger position politically i think she could maybe have delayed invoking article 50 and we could have at least progressed talks without looking as ridiculous as this . The rush to do it to placate the influence of Brexiteers meant that this was always a possibility despite the talk of how simple it’d be .
 
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