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How long will it take for 45 letters to go in to get rid of her - only at am yesterday she was spouting the definite leave date - 8 hours later dithering Maybot is all over the place - the fact is if we go past the date by one month it will cost the UK Billions to the EU according to Bill Cash - if they do not have the bottle to remove her - I may vote for Corbyn a marxist against my principles , but that is where we are heading she is trying to hang on to power a remainer in a brexit government.......
Oh and Esther Macvey owes 1 & 1/2 billion to the sick benefit claimants this is a mess of a government........
No wonder the EU cant get any sense out of her, she changes like the wind, has red lines then doesn't, will not do this or that and a few hours later says she will.
Unfit for office , needs binning right off.
I am voting for Corbyn anyway despite my misgivings , he at least isn't her , which is good enough for me right now, plus its more change on the horizon if he gets in which i quite like.
 
if it does go on another year, I fully expect Rees-Mogg to be the party leader and probably PM

Genuinely terrifying.

Indeed.

But in fairness to her, she was handed the most toxic of poisoned chalices by the pathetic weakling whom preceded her and ruined his own career by running scared of the cartoon figure that is Nigel Farage and his motley bunch of UKIP misfits.

True, but she chose to take it on.
 
I said to pete the other day if she’d been a leaver originally or in a stronger position politically i think she could maybe have delayed invoking article 50 and we could have at least progressed talks without looking as ridiculous as this . The rush to do it to placate the influence of Brexiteers meant that this was always a possibility despite the talk of how simple it’d be .

If I remember correctly, the main 'leave' protagonists at the time shuffled about at the back looking at their feet during the Tory leadership battle. Boris certainly withdrew sharpish, and if I recall the two left standing at the end were May and Leadsom, both of whom campaigned to remain. It's a shame that for leave voters, the leave campaigners seem to have a teflon like ability to do whatever they like without any criticism.
 
If I remember correctly, the main 'leave' protagonists at the time shuffled about at the back looking at their feet during the Tory leadership battle. Boris certainly withdrew sharpish, and if I recall the two left standing at the end were May and Leadsom, both of whom campaigned to remain. It's a shame that for leave voters, the leave campaigners seem to have a teflon like ability to do whatever they like without any criticism.

Gove wanted it, then didn't, then wanted it again, Boris has been moved from pillar to post just to accommodate him, I think his chance of leading the party has been and gone, shudder to think if he ever made it as PM, he hasn't got any integrity left now.

that only leaves Rees-Mogg who looks to have played the waiting game to perfection.

so it could boil down to Rees-Mogg versus Jeremy Corbyn

if you had of said that 5 years ago, you would of got laughed out the room
 
Gove wanted it, then didn't, then wanted it again, Boris has been moved from pillar to post just to accommodate him, I think his chance of leading the party has been and gone, shudder to think if he ever made it as PM, he hasn't got any integrity left now.

that only leaves Rees-Mogg who looks to have played the waiting game to perfection.

so it could boil down to Rees-Mogg versus Jeremy Corbyn

if you had of said that 5 years ago, you would of got laughed out the room

I think if either of them were leaders it would be Britain that is laughed out of any room it was in.
 
You said you don't want other people making our rules, but that isn't how global trade works, as whether it's bilateral/multilateral trade deals or the single market, there are rules that govern how parties to those arrangements can operate. When you trade globally, there are rules and standards that make that trade function, and that's a good thing. It makes sense and has delivered tremendous results for the world.

I mean I was with a bunch of Scandinavian data scientists yesterday, most of whom worked for multinationals, and it's blindingly obvious that for the data within their business it makes perfect sense to have common standards, common nomenclature, common processes so that everything works together. Local teams don't complain about not being able to do their own thing as they need to work together. You then extend that to the wider supply chain, where it's increasingly common for standards to be filtered down through the supply chain, whether it's manufacturers mandating lean or Microsoft mandating maternity pay. Again, those in most instances make perfect sense as the ecosystem needs to run smoothly together.

That's essentially what the common market does, and it allows for this level of integration like no other trade deal on earth.

I’m glad you are using the term of what we voted to join, a common market. What we didn’t vote to join was a United States of Europe, with its own army......
 
How long will it take for 45 letters to go in to get rid of her - only at am yesterday she was spouting the definite leave date - 8 hours later dithering Maybot is all over the place - the fact is if we go past the date by one month it will cost the UK Billions to the EU according to Bill Cash - if they do not have the bottle to remove her - I may vote for Corbyn a marxist against my principles , but that is where we are heading she is trying to hang on to power a remainer in a brexit government.......
Oh and Esther Macvey owes 1 & 1/2 billion to the sick benefit claimants this is a mess of a government........

Tbf, I think Esther McVey is the one who has reversed a decision not to pay them.....
 
I’m glad you are using the term of what we voted to join, a common market. What we didn’t vote to join was a United States of Europe, with its own army......

We're not a United States of Europe though, are we? On the army point, I can sympathise to a large extent. On one hand Germany has a pacifist constitution forced upon them after the war, and most would support that, yet they're largely criticised now for not pulling their weight militarily, and what's more that by piggy backing on the defence of others, they've been able to spend the money to good effect elsewhere. Yet if they started investing in their army and pushing their weight around I don't suppose it would be long before Kaiser references were made. An EU army would also help states like Italy and Greece that are bearing the burden of managing the refugee situation.

It's one of those things that in many ways probably makes sense, just as a 'UN army' makes sense in many situations, but just as having joint UN forces doing stuff hasn't diminished from national armies, I doubt that an 'EU army' would either. It's just a shame that many people are happy to play dumb and overlook the obvious in order to score points.
 
I'd just like to say, a couple of weeks ago I was granted German citizenship, so this here rat has jumped off the sinking ship that is Brexit Britain. I hope you 52%ers enjoy the sheetshow you've signed up for.

Ganz gut! Kommen Sie gut nach Deutschland! Auf wiedersehen...
 
We're not a United States of Europe though, are we? On the army point, I can sympathise to a large extent. On one hand Germany has a pacifist constitution forced upon them after the war, and most would support that, yet they're largely criticised now for not pulling their weight militarily, and what's more that by piggy backing on the defence of others, they've been able to spend the money to good effect elsewhere. Yet if they started investing in their army and pushing their weight around I don't suppose it would be long before Kaiser references were made. An EU army would also help states like Italy and Greece that are bearing the burden of managing the refugee situation.

It's one of those things that in many ways probably makes sense, just as a 'UN army' makes sense in many situations, but just as having joint UN forces doing stuff hasn't diminished from national armies, I doubt that an 'EU army' would either. It's just a shame that many people are happy to play dumb and overlook the obvious in order to score points.

No Bruce, we have a combined army, it’s called NATO and it’s kept the peace. An EU army is just European politicians wanting the trappings and levers of even more power. NATO will probably never come into contact militarily with Russia, but with these arrogant clowns in Brussels and an Eu army, it would happen within weeks......
 
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