Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Khalekan]

Bed mate.

Indeed

 

[peteblue]

But what would be the point of a vote on a no deal, if we leave on the 29th March anyrate?

HOC votes against a No Deal, 30th March we are out. Biggest "So What" in political history. Unless the whole thing can be put on hold?

Is also my understanding. We either vote to accept a deal or no deal just comes along on the last day anyway.....which is why some form of fudged deal will arrive.....

 

[roydo]

Is also my understanding. We either vote to accept a deal or no deal just comes along on the last day anyway.....which is why some form of fudged deal will arrive.....

Lets hope so. Read an article somewhere over the weekend that industry captains in the EU are going up the wall with the way "their" side are dealing with all this. We keep forgetting that this needs to work for everyone, not just a handful of politicians.

 

[allezlesbleus]

For the life of me I cannot understand how, even if a fellow wanted Brexit, he would prefer we left with “no deal” rsther than an amicable split.

I think some are so anti EU they are ok with being out in any circumstances. And some will be perfectly happy with May getting the boot in those circumstances since it will open the door to one of their group being leader. And some will be viewing very calmly a period of economic pressure which will result in more belt-tightening across the board to "get us out of this mess".

 

[tsubaki]

But what would be the point of a vote on a no deal, if we leave on the 29th March anyrate?

HOC votes against a No Deal, 30th March we are out. Biggest "So What" in political history. Unless the whole thing can be put on hold?

It will depend on what is on the order paper; its not inconceivable that someone will put a motion in directing the Government to withdraw article 50 in the event of no agreement.

 

[roydo]

It will depend on what is on the order paper; its not inconceivable that someone will put a motion in directing the Government to withdraw article 50 in the event of no agreement.

Good point.

The rules of the leaving process would allow that? As in, we change our mind and sit on the naughty step for a few minutes?

edit. But, that would go against the referendum. So another referendum? And a second one says Leave.......sake.

 

[thirdmantackle]

You all realise that the DUP are stuck in the 19th century in terms of their thinking on issues.
And that is being very generous to them

Fosters own constituency voted 58% remain. The highest in NI for that silly referendum full of lies
Not even her own neighbours in Fermanagh wanted this

 

[Eggs]

But what would be the point of a vote on a no deal, if we leave on the 29th March anyrate?

HOC votes against a No Deal, 30th March we are out. Biggest "So What" in political history. Unless the whole thing can be put on hold?

..they are unwilling to extend Article 50, I wonder if we go to WTO terms which is essentially no deal anyway.

 

[tsubaki]

Good point.

The rules of the leaving process would allow that? As in, we change our mind and sit on the naughty step for a few minutes?

It has never been clarified, though the person who actually wrote Article 50 says it is and there is no legal reason to say that it would not be (for instance Article 49, which deals with applying to join the EU, nowhere says that an applicant needs the permission of the other EU states to stop the process).

 

[roydo]

..they are unwilling to extend Article 50, I wonder if we go to WTO terms which is essentially no deal anyway.

I guess so mate. Cue containers of car parts stockpiled at the ports with assembly lines silent across the UK and Europe.

 

[Eggs]

You all realise that the DUP are stuck in the 19th century in terms of their thinking on issues.
And that is being very generous to them

Fosters own constituency voted 58% remain. The highest in NI for that silly referendum full of lies
Not even her own neighbours in Fermanagh wanted this

...I feel like i’m walking on egg shells where NI politics is concerned, but are there non-Sinn Fein supporters who would support an All Ireland referendum in order to stay in the EU?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Sammy 'the tache' Wilson says a no-deal Brexit is "probably inevitable". So that's that then.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

...I feel like i’m walking on egg shells where NI politics is concerned, but are there non-Sinn Fein supporters who would support an All Ireland referendum in order to stay in the EU?

There would be no point in having one as the result would be 90% YES.

 

[roydo]

There would be no point in having one as the result would be 90% YES.

I am the same as @Eggs re NI politics, but IF that was a way out of this mess, I dont reckon many on the mainland would have too much of an issue with that. But I guess that would be like catnip for the SNP, so the HOC is unlikely to agree with me.

Inevitable break up of one union versus England, (and Wales probably), being out of another one.

All a bit mental this.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I am the same as @Eggs re NI politics, but IF that was a way out of this mess, I dont reckon many on the mainland would have too much of an issue with that. But I guess that would be like catnip for the SNP, so the HOC is unlikely to agree with me.

Inevitable break up of one union versus England, (and Wales probably), being out of another one.

All a bit mental this.

Indeed, and I doubt most people on the mainland would have any issue with the NI staying in the Single Market and Customs Union either which is the easiest and most obvious way out of this mess. The problem remains the DUP and the British government's dependence on them for survival.

It's a circle that can't be squared.