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[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

She leads her party, there is no devolved region to head as the devolved administration is in suspension.......

So what? I asked you to say something positive about the DUP. For example, their policies and how those policies line up against their fellow British citizen's rights in the rest of the U.K. Perhaps you could explain the positive elements of their opposition to gay marriage?

 

[Eggs]

..May providing an update to the Commons this afternoon. I wonder if it’s a matter of time before we see Cabinet resignations.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

..May providing an update to the Commons this afternoon. I wonder if it’s a matter of time before we see Cabinet resignations.

Its about time the whole bleeding lot of them resigned.

 

[Socrates]

What I've been saying from the very beginning...

I’ve just been sent the following, on Twitter. It’s a possible explanation of Theresa May’s Brexit negotiation strategy that – if true – indicates a betrayal of faith with the EU27 negotiators, and an outright betrayal of the British people.
What do you think about this?

This is a sanitised briefing. It is rated as “high level of confidence” and supported by OSINT, meaning it comes from multiple, reliable sources and is supported by open source information.
Numerous sources have confirmed the British government is deliberately aiming for a no deal Brexit outcome in order to take advantage of extended powers available to them under the scenario – including civil contingencies and so-called Henry VIII.
The Chequers plan is a ploy designed to engage the EU in distraction from the desired British outcome and create a false narrative at home in the UK that the EU are responsible.
Sources claim emergency legislation is being prepared for January next year (2019) when the Withdrawal Act no deal deadlines pass – this would be 29/01 and the civil contingencies secretariat have been convened as per leaked Hammond notes recently, adding credibility.
On Ireland: The British government hopes the EU will be forced to move first and install a hard border in Ireland in order to avoid blame itself for a situation it has created. Further sources claim the data harvested during Repeal 8th will be used in some “unity” campaigns.
The British government has progressed trade talks with the US to the point of potential emergency supply, moving substantially beyond informal discussions – though the Trump administration should not be taken at its word, a degree of reliance on this has been factored in UK side.
The government intends to create a tax haven on the EU’s doorstep to exploit financial service deregulation. This speaks for itself.
The British government aims to prevent France and other EU countries from properly preparing for no deal by continuing to falsely engage in the negotiations in bad faith, keeping the EU27 from moving from early stage plans to contingency measures as long as possible.
The British government hopes this will create a ripple effect of impact so it can later pursue a “Europe in chaos” narrative of disinformation and exploit the situation. In short hoping to spread the load of no deal impact, particularly into France due to geographical impact.
The British government hopes this collateral damage will add to planned disruption around the EU election processes next spring and they will use dissident relationships to further this – likely to include Orban.
The British are aware that contingency planning in France has not yet reached operational unit level even in the GIGN because the general French presumption is that the British government is genuinely engaged in good faith, which they are not.

 

[allezlesbleus]

What I've been saying from the very beginning...

I’ve just been sent the following, on Twitter. It’s a possible explanation of Theresa May’s Brexit negotiation strategy that – if true – indicates a betrayal of faith with the EU27 negotiators, and an outright betrayal of the British people.
What do you think about this?

This is a sanitised briefing. It is rated as “high level of confidence” and supported by OSINT, meaning it comes from multiple, reliable sources and is supported by open source information.
Numerous sources have confirmed the British government is deliberately aiming for a no deal Brexit outcome in order to take advantage of extended powers available to them under the scenario – including civil contingencies and so-called Henry VIII.
The Chequers plan is a ploy designed to engage the EU in distraction from the desired British outcome and create a false narrative at home in the UK that the EU are responsible.
Sources claim emergency legislation is being prepared for January next year (2019) when the Withdrawal Act no deal deadlines pass – this would be 29/01 and the civil contingencies secretariat have been convened as per leaked Hammond notes recently, adding credibility.
On Ireland: The British government hopes the EU will be forced to move first and install a hard border in Ireland in order to avoid blame itself for a situation it has created. Further sources claim the data harvested during Repeal 8th will be used in some “unity” campaigns.
The British government has progressed trade talks with the US to the point of potential emergency supply, moving substantially beyond informal discussions – though the Trump administration should not be taken at its word, a degree of reliance on this has been factored in UK side.
The government intends to create a tax haven on the EU’s doorstep to exploit financial service deregulation. This speaks for itself.
The British government aims to prevent France and other EU countries from properly preparing for no deal by continuing to falsely engage in the negotiations in bad faith, keeping the EU27 from moving from early stage plans to contingency measures as long as possible.
The British government hopes this will create a ripple effect of impact so it can later pursue a “Europe in chaos” narrative of disinformation and exploit the situation. In short hoping to spread the load of no deal impact, particularly into France due to geographical impact.
The British government hopes this collateral damage will add to planned disruption around the EU election processes next spring and they will use dissident relationships to further this – likely to include Orban.
The British are aware that contingency planning in France has not yet reached operational unit level even in the GIGN because the general French presumption is that the British government is genuinely engaged in good faith, which they are not.

Blimey!!!!!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is a sanitised briefing. It is rated as “high level of confidence” and supported by OSINT, meaning it comes from multiple, reliable sources and is supported by open source information.

What's OSINT?

 

[peteblue]

So what? I asked you to say something positive about the DUP. For example, their policies and how those policies line up against their fellow British citizen's rights in the rest of the U.K. Perhaps you could explain the positive elements of their opposition to gay marriage?

You are arguing about the DUP now. This is the EU thread....

 

[peteblue]

What I've been saying from the very beginning...

I’ve just been sent the following, on Twitter. It’s a possible explanation of Theresa May’s Brexit negotiation strategy that – if true – indicates a betrayal of faith with the EU27 negotiators, and an outright betrayal of the British people.
What do you think about this?

This is a sanitised briefing. It is rated as “high level of confidence” and supported by OSINT, meaning it comes from multiple, reliable sources and is supported by open source information.
Numerous sources have confirmed the British government is deliberately aiming for a no deal Brexit outcome in order to take advantage of extended powers available to them under the scenario – including civil contingencies and so-called Henry VIII.
The Chequers plan is a ploy designed to engage the EU in distraction from the desired British outcome and create a false narrative at home in the UK that the EU are responsible.
Sources claim emergency legislation is being prepared for January next year (2019) when the Withdrawal Act no deal deadlines pass – this would be 29/01 and the civil contingencies secretariat have been convened as per leaked Hammond notes recently, adding credibility.
On Ireland: The British government hopes the EU will be forced to move first and install a hard border in Ireland in order to avoid blame itself for a situation it has created. Further sources claim the data harvested during Repeal 8th will be used in some “unity” campaigns.
The British government has progressed trade talks with the US to the point of potential emergency supply, moving substantially beyond informal discussions – though the Trump administration should not be taken at its word, a degree of reliance on this has been factored in UK side.
The government intends to create a tax haven on the EU’s doorstep to exploit financial service deregulation. This speaks for itself.
The British government aims to prevent France and other EU countries from properly preparing for no deal by continuing to falsely engage in the negotiations in bad faith, keeping the EU27 from moving from early stage plans to contingency measures as long as possible.
The British government hopes this will create a ripple effect of impact so it can later pursue a “Europe in chaos” narrative of disinformation and exploit the situation. In short hoping to spread the load of no deal impact, particularly into France due to geographical impact.
The British government hopes this collateral damage will add to planned disruption around the EU election processes next spring and they will use dissident relationships to further this – likely to include Orban.
The British are aware that contingency planning in France has not yet reached operational unit level even in the GIGN because the general French presumption is that the British government is genuinely engaged in good faith, which they are not.

Sounds like a made up story to me. I’d actually be very pleased if our government had the balls to pursue such a plan, but alas I think the truth will be far more mundane......

 

[peteblue]

What's OSINT?

Made up stories knitted together from openly available information......

 

[Fedlingen]

What's OSINT?

Open-sourced intelligence. Basically just using sources available to the public as intelligence.

 

[spectateur]

What I've been saying from the very beginning...

I’ve just been sent the following, on Twitter. It’s a possible explanation of Theresa May’s Brexit negotiation strategy that – if true – indicates a betrayal of faith with the EU27 negotiators, and an outright betrayal of the British people.
What do you think about this?

This is a sanitised briefing. It is rated as “high level of confidence” and supported by OSINT, meaning it comes from multiple, reliable sources and is supported by open source information.
Numerous sources have confirmed the British government is deliberately aiming for a no deal Brexit outcome in order to take advantage of extended powers available to them under the scenario – including civil contingencies and so-called Henry VIII.
The Chequers plan is a ploy designed to engage the EU in distraction from the desired British outcome and create a false narrative at home in the UK that the EU are responsible.
Sources claim emergency legislation is being prepared for January next year (2019) when the Withdrawal Act no deal deadlines pass – this would be 29/01 and the civil contingencies secretariat have been convened as per leaked Hammond notes recently, adding credibility.
On Ireland: The British government hopes the EU will be forced to move first and install a hard border in Ireland in order to avoid blame itself for a situation it has created. Further sources claim the data harvested during Repeal 8th will be used in some “unity” campaigns.
The British government has progressed trade talks with the US to the point of potential emergency supply, moving substantially beyond informal discussions – though the Trump administration should not be taken at its word, a degree of reliance on this has been factored in UK side.
The government intends to create a tax haven on the EU’s doorstep to exploit financial service deregulation. This speaks for itself.
The British government aims to prevent France and other EU countries from properly preparing for no deal by continuing to falsely engage in the negotiations in bad faith, keeping the EU27 from moving from early stage plans to contingency measures as long as possible.
The British government hopes this will create a ripple effect of impact so it can later pursue a “Europe in chaos” narrative of disinformation and exploit the situation. In short hoping to spread the load of no deal impact, particularly into France due to geographical impact.
The British government hopes this collateral damage will add to planned disruption around the EU election processes next spring and they will use dissident relationships to further this – likely to include Orban.
The British are aware that contingency planning in France has not yet reached operational unit level even in the GIGN because the general French presumption is that the British government is genuinely engaged in good faith, which they are not.

Sound to me more like a conspiracy theory put together by a bored night shift somewhere.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Well, the negotiations do appear to have hit the rocks on account of the Irish border, but it's hard to imagine this was some Machiavellian plot by the Tories as opposed to bungling by people utterly desperate for power.

 

[Ruairi77]

While I'm not sure it was the plan all along, the optics of the 'game of chicken' at the border are very important. It's been a constant from the leave voters here that the UK wont install a border, the EU will, so it's their fault. It would be naive to think that both sides of the border won't see this as the UK forcing the EU's hand to the determent of it's own citizens.
If the UK are further down the road with US trade negotiations, Brexiters better pray Democrats don't win the house. This could put Trump on an increasingly aggressive 'America first' path. He'll need to keep his export markets happy and if forced to choose, he'll pick the EU over the UK.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

While I'm not sure it was the plan all along, the optics of the 'game of chicken' at the border are very important. It's been a constant from the leave voters here that the UK wont install a border, the EU will, so it's their fault. It would be naive to think that both sides of the border won't see this as the UK forcing the EU's hand to the determent of it's own citizens.
If the UK are further down the road with US trade negotiations, Brexiters better pray Democrats don't win the house. This could put Trump on an increasingly aggressive 'America first' path. He'll need to keep his export markets happy and if forced to choose, he'll pick the EU over the UK.

Can anyone really imagine Trump keeping an advanced trade deal with the UK a secret?

 

[Eggs]

...seems increasingly apparent to me that a negotiated deal will not get through the Commons which means the ‘no deal’ conclusion the Brexiteers want.