Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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In fairness, I don't think that any PM in my living memory other than maybe Thatcher, has had to ride out a [Poor language removed] storm such as this.
She finds oit tough going because she agreed to being made PM only if she carried out the wishes of a handful of MPs in NI and the hard brexit lunatics.

A stateswoman would have found a way through and been resolute. She is at best a junior minister in terms of intellect and charisma who is just made up to have been PM.
 
She finds oit tough going because she agreed to being made PM only if she carried out the wishes of a handful of MPs in NI and the hard brexit lunatics.

A stateswoman would have found a way through and been resolute. She is at best a junior minister in terms of intellect and charisma who is just made up to have been PM.
She,s trying poorly to carry out negotiations of which she is incapable of doing..
The Democratic vote of the people
 
She finds oit tough going because she agreed to being made PM only if she carried out the wishes of a handful of MPs in NI and the hard brexit lunatics.

A stateswoman would have found a way through and been resolute. She is at best a junior minister in terms of intellect and charisma who is just made up to have been PM.
I agree totally. She was done up like a kipper by the grandees of her party.
I don't think I have seen anybody deteriorate before my very eyes due to the stresses and strains of being in post doing a seemingly impossible task.
Actually as I type this, Kenny Dalglish was ruined when he took over the RS as caretaker a short while back.
 
David Cameron said Britain could control Immigration by being in the EU. Another Lie

The below is from this week's Economist:

THERESA MAY’S government has long insisted that free movement of people from the European Union to Britain must end after Brexit. Commentary on this week’s Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) report has focused on its advice that Britain should not offer EU citizens preferential terms after it leaves. Yet the report pointedly adds that “preferential access to the UK labour market would be of benefit to EU citizens”. This clearly hints that a regime favouring EU migrants could be a bargaining chip to win better access to the EU’s single market.

The principle of getting free trade in return for free movement is implicit in the single market’s rules. As a matter of economics, a single market could be built around the free movement of goods, services and capital. But the EU deliberately adds free movement of people, which most citizens outside Britain see as a benefit of the club.

Yet it also permits exceptions. Harvey Redgrave of the Tony Blair Institute, a think-tank, notes that other EU countries have long been amazed that, given Britain’s hostility to EU migration, its government has never applied the constraints allowed on free movement. It was one of only three countries not to limit the migration of nationals from central and eastern European countries for the first few years after they joined the EU in 2004. Even today it is more generous than it need be. In June Britain chose not to extend limits on free movement from Croatia, which joined the EU in 2013, for two more years.

Britain is also in a minority in having no registration system for EU migrants. Post-Brexit, it could use such a system, as Belgium does, to throw out migrants who have no job after six months. Denmark and Austria limit migrants’ ability to buy homes in some places.

Most EU countries are also tougher than Britain in insisting that welfare benefits cannot be claimed until a migrant builds up some years’ worth of contributions. Equally, the EU’s posted-workers directive is used by many to try to stop any undercutting of local labour markets. But Britain is lax in enforcing both its minimum wage and its standards for working conditions.

Non-EU countries in the European Economic Area have other options. Liechtenstein, a tiny principality, has quotas on EU migrants, despite being a full member of the single market. Article 112 of the EEA treaty allows Iceland and Norway to invoke an “emergency brake”, although they have never used it. And non-EEA Switzerland, which is in the single market for goods, not only limits property purchases but also makes most employers offer jobs to Swiss nationals first.

This particular concession was secured after the EU refused to accept a Swiss vote in 2014 to set limits on free movement. Yet a further referendum on the issue is now threatened, so Brussels may have to bend its rules yet again. All this comes as other EU countries besides Britain are looking for new ways to constrain the free movement of people.

The MAC report itself points to the irony that all this is happening as EU migration to Britain is going down fast. It notes that the country may be ending free movement just as public concern about it is falling. It is not too late for a compromise in which Britain accepts something like free movement in principle, but heavily constrains it in practice.
 
Trade, and the 4 freedoms in a bloated expensive political union is not the same as a common market- back to.common wealth countries without tariffs will be just fine plus the thriving world wide tariff free
Trade....
Other countries are Affiliated to the EU for trade minus the 4 freedoms
Yeah the commonwealth, that’ll sort it. Shame 2 of them have already objected to our WTO schedules.
 
What I don't get is how... well, thick people are about this whole thing, in that they're somehow surprised the EU aren't on bended knee and letting go of their enshrined freedoms.

It's not up to the EU to sort this out - it's up to the UK. The EU haven't started this whole farce off; all they are doing is protecting their status quo, which is obvious surely? Honestly, how is this situation a surprise? What incentive did the EU have to do this any different - did the Brexit mob actually really believe that the UK were so all powerful that the EU would shat their pants and give us whatever we want? Really?!?
 
I see the Universal Credit approach of "We don't care if it works and is of any benefit to the participants, your'e having it regardless." doesn't work on people who have power.

She has just found out that she can't treat the EU like she treats "foreigners" and benefit claimants in her own country. Who would have thought that?
 
What I don't get is how... well, thick people are about this whole thing, in that they're somehow surprised the EU aren't on bended knee and letting go of their enshrined freedoms.

It's not up to the EU to sort this out - it's up to the UK. The EU haven't started this whole farce off; all they are doing is protecting their status quo, which is obvious surely? Honestly, how is this situation a surprise? What incentive did the EU have to do this any different - did the Brexit mob actually really believe that the UK were so all powerful that the EU would shat their pants and give us whatever we want? Really?!?
Couple of nice turns of phrase there.
You thought of joining the diplomatic corps?
 
What I don't get is how... well, thick people are about this whole thing, in that they're somehow surprised the EU aren't on bended knee and letting go of their enshrined freedoms.

It's not up to the EU to sort this out - it's up to the UK. The EU haven't started this whole farce off; all they are doing is protecting their status quo, which is obvious surely? Honestly, how is this situation a surprise? What incentive did the EU have to do this any different - did the Brexit mob actually really believe that the UK were so all powerful that the EU would shat their pants and give us whatever we want? Really?!?
This was spelt out by the EU before the vote, anyone with an ounce of common shared it when the subject was discussed. They were never going to bend on the 4 pillars.

But, they need us more than we need them, German cars though, easiest deal in human history blah, blah, blah. The charlatans made out that we could somehow get a better deal than what we already had, whilst never defining it. At worst we’d get a ‘very good deal’ they said. Whilst completely ignoring the obvious and what they’d been told by the much larger and therefore more powerful EU. It was basic common sense, but they kept peddling the myth.

They’ve continued up until the point where the simple and absolute reality could no longer be avoided i.e. now, and now predictably they’re simply finger pointing at the EU and shouting - blame them!

The sunny uplands of a post Brexit Britain has been replaced with “we’ve been through worse than this, 2 World Wars you know”

Utter fruitcakes.
 
This was spelt out by the EU before the vote, anyone with an ounce of common shared it when the subject was discussed. They were never going to bend on the 4 pillars.

But, they need us more than we need them, German cars though, easiest deal in human history blah, blah, blah. The charlatans made out that we could somehow get a better deal than what we already had, whilst never defining it. At worst we’d get a ‘very good deal’ they said. Whilst completely ignoring the obvious and what they’d been told by the much larger and therefore more powerful EU. It was basic common sense, but they kept peddling the myth.

They’ve continued up until the point where the simple and absolute reality could no longer be avoided i.e. now, and now predictably they’re simply finger pointing at the EU and shouting - blame them!

The sunny uplands of a post Brexit Britain has been replaced with “we’ve been through worse than this, 2 World Wars you know”

Utter fruitcakes.

It's very strange really, as we had numerous discussions on here, with bluster along the lines of 'them needing us more than we need them' and all that, led by politicians proclaiming that we'd have all sorts of trade deals signed and sealed by now. Not only were these things believed, but they are now more angry with Macron for pointing out that they were led on by chancers than they are the chancers spinning utter codswallop in the first place. When there is objection to being called thick, you do have to wonder why they can't just stop being it.
 
More doom and gloom from you - the New Zealand ambassador is waiting to set trade deals up ..... Tariff free.

I think we export around £1.5bn a year to New Zealand. @Old Blue 2 can perhaps confirm, but I think that's the equivalent of bugger all, or about on a par with our trade with Lithuania. In your condition Joe it's probably good that you don't get too excited like, but still.
 
It's very strange really, as we had numerous discussions on here, with bluster along the lines of 'them needing us more than we need them' and all that, led by politicians proclaiming that we'd have all sorts of trade deals signed and sealed by now. Not only were these things believed, but they are now more angry with Macron for pointing out that they were led on by chancers than they are the chancers spinning utter codswallop in the first place. When there is objection to being called thick, you do have to wonder why they can't just stop being it.
Cheap shot Bruce.
You have maybe kept up with my recent posts over my total disillusionment with the way that those who were to carry out the will of the majority have performed. I posted that I made a considered decision before I voted and was not part of a war mongering mob hell bent on removing immigrants from this country. For the record that was not a consideration of mine.
Yes, the whole thing is a mess but once again knock off the insults, it does not become you.
 
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