Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

Very much expecting some folk to pitch up and dispute these worrying truth bombs that have been dropped.

The ones posted more than half an hour ago. Which is the middle ages in internet forum world.

 

[Tubey]

What we've seen in recent months was something that was always predictable. The Brexiteer 'middle ground' has evaporated as the 'Brextremist' voices got louder as the reality of what Brexit is got clearer. Those who supported it for ill-informed reasons have suddenly become more informed and wanted no part of it.

It's no coincidence you see the 'rise' of the Tommy Robinsons' of this world now - the same deluded working class racists that supported Brexit are now a marginalised voice and have just escaped to pure, unadulterated racism, because they don't have the legitimacy of the middle ground that once shared their aims.

That's the tragedy of Brexit - how a democracy was subverted by the lies and deceit of those with vested interests to make money off a national race to the bottom, exploiting the largely unfounded fears of the working classes to do so.

I still think Brexit will happen, I hope beyond hope it isn't the disaster I think it will be, but at this point - whether you're Leave or Remain - and you have any semblance of respect for data and looking at situations reasonably, you shouldn't really be wanting out of the EU. The risk simply isn't worth it and that should be painfully obvious to everyone who doesn't have inherent bias here and wants to make money off the misery of others.

 

[roydo]

That's the tragedy of Brexit - how a democracy was subverted by the lies and deceit of those with vested interests to make money off a national race to the bottom, exploiting the largely unfounded fears of the working classes to do so.

I still think Brexit will happen, I hope beyond hope it isn't the disaster I think it will be, but at this point - whether you're Leave or Remain - and you have any semblance of respect for data and looking at situations reasonably, you shouldn't really be wanting out of the EU. The risk simply isn't worth it and that should be painfully obvious to everyone who doesn't have inherent bias here and wants to make money off the misery of others.

Not for the first time, nailed.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

And I will be very interested in the response from @Old Blue 2

Any chance you could ask @Old Blue 2 for comments on the border pickle as well?

I have a feeling I’m on ignore but am keen to get the views of our Vote Leave Behemoth.

 

[roydo]

Any chance you could ask @Old Blue 2 for comments on the border pickle as well?

I have a feeling I’m on ignore but am keen to get the views of our Vote Leave Behemoth.

I am sure he will respond in his own time.

Just a bit surprised he has taken a while.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I am sure he will respond in his own time.

Just a bit surprised he has taken a while.

I eagerly await.

Cracking posts from @nsno-chris and quite disturbing stuff to be honest. The public were not told this type of consequence at all and it’s no shame to admit we have major issues.

 

[roydo]

I eagerly await.

Cracking posts from @nsno-chris and quite disturbing stuff to be honest. The public were not told this type of consequence at all and it’s no shame to admit we have major issues.

Well non of the main forum high profile leavers have been in here for a while.

As for @nsno-chris and his posts, I have heard similar but way less informed stuff about the distribution of internet purchases post leaving.

 

[abelard]

The public were not told this type of consequence at all and it’s no shame to admit we have major issues.

We were, constantly, to be fair... but we were sick of experts and it was all just Project Fear

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Well non of the main forum high profile leavers have been in here for a while.

As for @nsno-chris and his posts, I have heard similar but way less informed stuff about the distribution of internet purchases post leaving.

It has been an education for me and exactly what this forum debate deserves to know and discuss.

I just don’t think Leavers had any real concept of the future they have delivered for us.

 

[Joey66]

Very much expecting some folk to pitch up and dispute these worrying truth bombs that have been dropped.

The ones posted more than half an hour ago. Which is the middle ages in internet forum world.

Ageism from a modlol

 

[Joey66]

Well non of the main forum high profile leavers have been in here for a while.

As for @nsno-chris and his posts, I have heard similar but way less informed stuff about the distribution of internet purchases post leaving.

Maybe we are fed up of the way the thread is going same people same rhetoric......
On both sides of the debate MPs are on holiday ......
As the EU are......

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Right, let me take you to school with regards to your 1st point, Argentine meat.

Yes I’m well aware that both Brazil and Argentina are mass exporters tothe EU for their beef products. But how they do that:
1) only certain establishments in those countries can export meat. An establishment is a company that produces the product. To enable them to gain approval to meet the requirements to become an establishment then their plant must meet the hygiene requirements set out and in EU 852/853 & 854 2004 and ensure they comply with HACCP practices. They are audited regularly by the EU to ensure compliance to these regulations

2) when they export to the EU their product is supported by a health Certificate which is signed by aVet in Argentina to ensure that it was those products leaving the country and under strict controls (i.e. if frozen that the temperature was sufficient when leaving)

3) on arrival in the EU the goods can only arrive through a Border Inspection Post, not all ports have a BIP and these are regularly audited by the EU. Authorised BIPs can be found on 2009/821/EC.

4) the importer must submit the health certificate, which was signed by the vet, to a vet in a BIP along with a Common Vet Entry Document which is submitted via a EU database called TRACES. This system records the movement of the goods through the EU and results from of official checks by the vet in accordance with 97/78/EC plus sampling results, including failure

5) if that product fails at any port in Europe then all other ports are immediately aware via TRACES and will be more vigilant. If the product fails following sampling then the establishment from which the product arrives is placed on the Article 24 list and any products they originating from that establishments are unable to gain entry into the EU until 10 satisfactory samples have been taken from the next 10 imports, these can be at any BIP within the EU.

So you can see the tight controls and animal and human protection that is currently in place. Once we leave we have none of these controls and the ability to get spoiled meat increases massively. Importers can transit the goods through Ireland for example, place them on a RORO ferry to Holyhead and then before you know it there on the shelves. This is small compared to Dover considering that is the link to world trade via Europe.

I’ve just finished another meeting, lasting 9 hours today with representatives from DEFRA, FSA and HMRC. The threat is real and everyone is in a state of worry, 8 months out and we have no plan how to deal with any of the above mentioned points never mind additional infrastructure to put in place.

So please pipe down on information you have literally no clue on apart from quoting some stupid irrelevant articles

I love it when someone chips in on these threads with an actual clue as to what they’re talking about instead of linking daily mail and telegraph articles

 

[peteblue]

And we have only been talking about Fray Bentos and Corned Beef.........

I said a few days after the result, we havnt really thought this through have we?

Only like the European Medicines Agency which the EU have insisted comes out of London and goes to Amsterdam. As expected a decent percentage of staff have refused to move and will leave, in addition a hundred or two contract workers will fall foul of Dutch law and will leave, so the EMA has started to prepare to do less than it did before. In addition the EMA senior oversight is largely done by U.K. experts. Oh and they had signed a 25 year lease with the owners of the London building worth about £500Million. All this was known before the EU decided that it must move to the EU, so I agree, we haven’t really thought this through have we. But it also seems that even when we have, politics rules......

 

[edge]

chlorinated chicken doesn't sound very nice that, then again most people are happy to buy bagged salad from supermarkets , which guess what are washed in chlorine solution to clean it of nasty bugs.
nothing to do with the thread just thought I would share it with you.

 

[peteblue]

chlorinated chicken doesn't sound very nice that, then again most people are happy to buy bagged salad from supermarkets , which guess what are washed in chlorine solution to clean it of nasty bugs.
nothing to do with the thread just thought I would share it with you.

I would guarantee that all who complain about chlorinated chicken would, if on holiday in the USA, eat chicken without giving this a second thought......it’s the words, the descriptors that put people off........