Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Just the 759 treaties to sort before March 29th.

No deal is better than a bad deal lol

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I don’t see a problem really...there are only 195 ish countries in the world and the Eu does not have agreements with most of them. Also those EU trade deals include the U.K. as a sovereign country and if there were a problem the UK being the 5th largest economy in the world I would expect the other party to demand that the EU either include the U.K. or renegotiate any EU/other country agreement because the EU economy is smaller than it was at agreement.

Regulatory will be covered by writing in EU law to the U.K. and Mays current offer.

Fisheries will be a problem for the EU not the U.K.

The rest is noise tbh.....


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peteblue said:
I don’t see a problem really...there are only 195 ish countries in the world and the Eu does not have agreements with most of them. Also those EU trade deals include the U.K. as a sovereign country and if there were a problem the UK being the 5th largest economy in the world I would expect the other party to demand that the EU either include the U.K. or renegotiate any EU/other country agreement because the EU economy is smaller than it was at agreement.

Regulatory will be covered by writing in EU law to the U.K. and Mays current offer.

Fisheries will be a problem for the EU not the U.K.

The rest is noise tbh.....


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Yeah absolute doddle, mostly just ‘noise’ lol

Are you David Davis?
 
peteblue said:
I’m sorry you are, but Brexit is now being managed by a cabal of Remainers designed to keep you and Bruce happy......
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Sorry mate, but delusion is not something I indulge in (well occasionally with regards to Everton tbf) I’m a bloke who prefers facts, rational interpretation of data and risk analysis to reach decisions of a complex nature. Hence why I generally post facts to back up my opinions.

The hard line Brexiteers however, seem oblivious to actual facts and deal with the invariable uncomfortable facts put to them in discussions like this one, with whataboutery, deflection, plain denial or pfffftt its ‘project fear’.
As the clock ticks down and virtually every day brings with it yet another dose of the reality of what the untangling of over 40 years of regulatory and business alignment brings with it, the delusion of the Brexiteers seems to expand.

You’re all seemingly buried in an ideology that is now bordering on what I can only describe as cultism. You can’t possibly rationally just bat away the entire myriad of issues that a no deal Brexit would bring with it, as just some form of ‘mere incidentals’. As they’re not ‘mere incidentals’ they’re the reality of what’s in front of us. No amount of ‘thinking positive’ and ‘backbone’ is going to stop a crash out exit from the EU being anything other than an absolute car wreck of monumental proportions.

I wonder just when the delusion will end, at what point will your average Brexiteer actual admit to themselves that it’s all been a colossal waste of time and money that will bring with it no tangible improvements to the lives of the average Brit? Probably never in your case, but of that 17.4m I’m sure you’re at the extreme end of the spectrum.
 
...they say being in the single market and customs union means Britain will not be able to do its own trade deals. They also say it necessitates free movement but;

- I don’t understand why Britain would negotiate better trade deals than the EU. Indeed, surely there’s a chance our trade deals with the rest of the world will be worst than those the EU have.

- Britain’s record with managing non-EU immigration is poor. That won’t change with Brexit and it doesn’t suggest the country will handle EU immigration very well.
 
Eggs said:
...they say being in the single market and customs union means Britain will not be able to do its own trade deals. They also say it necessitates free movement but;

- I don’t understand why Britain would negotiate better trade deals than the EU. Indeed, surely there’s a chance our trade deals with the rest of the world will be worst than those the EU have.

- Britain’s record with managing non-EU immigration is poor. That won’t change with Brexit and it doesn’t suggest the country will handle EU immigration very well.
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It's a bit of a misnomer anyway Eggs. I speak a lot through my work with entrepreneurs, innovators, the academics that try and study them and the policy makers that try and support them, and a couple of things are hugely important. Firstly the cross-fertilization of ideas and knowledge that comes when you can travel freely and widely. Secondly, the ability to attract the talent you want with no strings attached. Thirdly, the ability to have a large domestic market to take a product or service to scale relatively easily. The UK doesn't offer that kind of market (not in the sense of creating a Facebook or Alibaba), but the EU does. The single market removes many of the structural barriers to doing trade with 300 million people rather than 60 million, but even then there are still cultural and practical reasons why this is difficult. Lastly, they need good access to finance and a legal framework to build their business and protect their IP (this will largely be unaffected either way).

So the idea that you would make trade with our nearest neighbours harder in favour of supposedly easier trade with people far away is fundamental against what startups and entrepreneurs need, yet they are also the 'engines of creation' on which a growing economy is built, and on what any post-Brexit dreams are surely built? At what point do Brexiters actually listen to the businesses that they are supposedly opening up trade for?
 
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