Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

i know that Norway were looking at ways of burning it cleanly a while back, some type of filter system used in the burning process, it was a few years ago so dont know how it has gone.

They are getting there with C.C.S. Standing for carbon catching storage coal ....
We have millions of tons of it under our land......

 

[edge]

They are getting there with C.C.S. Standing for carbon catching storage coal ....
We have millions of tons of it under our land......

i was looking at this a while back there is enough for 500 years,
i know there were to plants opened in the USA that use different technology to burn coal cleaner then use the bi product in oil drilli g by pipeline.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

For exporting and importing cheaply yes.......
My late Father was a miner , and my late father in law was also a miner one in Cronton the latter in Sutton Manor so I may be a bit biased , also I burn coal and logs cheaper than gas heating all my hot water, and 8 radiators .....
Been in since 1987 fantastic heating system ..."
Just googled Milford he's in for a hard Brexit - I just want a workable one as the isle of Ireland has to be looked after...

You mean cheap imports.....

Minford was Thatchers adviser, he advocated doing nothing to help support manufacturing. Ironically he’s now ‘Economists for Brexit’, the expert of choice of Rees Mogg and the other hard Brexit swivel eyed loons.

He stood in front of the International Trade Committee and explained his view on a WTO terms Brexit.
Once rid of the ties to EU standards and regulations on goods and food. We can do trade deals with far flung developing nations. We’ll have to reduce our EU level standards to allow them to import cheap substandard crap into the U.K., but it’s all sound as we’ll sell them services in return. He openly said that a WTO terms Brexit would lead to and I quote “the elimination of manufacturing” and probably our farming industry to boot, but it didn’t matter as our service industries would boom.......so when you hear the likes of JRM screaming blue murder about Mays plan to retain parity with the EU on goods regulations and standards, and him justifying that by saying it’d ‘inhibit’ new trade deals, what he really means is that we won’t be able to dramatically lower our own bar. Taking back control Joey........

You voted for this.....

 

[Joey66]

You mean cheap imports.....

Minford was Thatchers adviser, he advocated doing nothing to help support manufacturing. Ironically he’s now ‘Economists for Brexit’, the expert of choice of Rees Mogg and the other hard Brexit swivel eyed loons.

He stood in front of the International Trade Committee and explained his view on a WTO terms Brexit.
Once rid of the ties to EU standards and regulations on goods and food. We can do trade deals with far flung developing nations. We’ll have to reduce our EU level standards to allow them to import cheap substandard crap into the U.K., but it’s all sound as we’ll sell them services in return. He openly said that a WTO terms Brexit would lead to and I quote “the elimination of manufacturing” and probably our farming industry to boot, but it didn’t matter as our service industries would boom.......so when you hear the likes of JRM screaming blue murder about Mays plan to retain parity with the EU on goods regulations and standards, and him justifying that by saying it’d ‘inhibit’ new trade deals, what he really means is that we won’t be able to dramatically lower our own bar. Taking back control Joey........

You voted for this.....

Along with 17.4 million others, what did Gove say about experts.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Along with 17.4 million others, what did Gove say about experts.......

Not a word.....and yet you’ve spent the evening bemoaning the loss of our manufacturing base and hoping that it could somehow be revived due to Brexit. I’ve just shown you the words of virtually the only economist who vocally supports it, and who completely smashed that idea to pieces and yet you come back with 17.4m......

I’m off to watch the undoubted gammon fest on QT. Later mate.

 

[Joey66]

Not a word.....and yet you’ve spent the evening bemoaning the loss of our manufacturing base and hoping that it could somehow be revived due to Brexit. I’ve just shown you the words of virtually the only economist who vocally supports it, and who completely smashed that idea to pieces and yet you come back with 17.4m......

I’m off to watch the undoubted gammon fest on QT. Later mate.

Our manufacturing business was on the slide we'll before the EU , but there is no chance of recreating it with this government or staying in the EU ...
I feel the will be a leadership,contest after today's Brexit white paper debarcle, and people called David Davis not clever, he would have presented the white paper to all MPs before debating it, utter shambolic today......

 

[Joey66]

Not a word.....and yet you’ve spent the evening bemoaning the loss of our manufacturing base and hoping that it could somehow be revived due to Brexit. I’ve just shown you the words of virtually the only economist who vocally supports it, and who completely smashed that idea to pieces and yet you come back with 17.4m......

I’m off to watch the undoubted gammon fest on QT. Later mate.

Just watched QTlol
My goodness what a mess .....
Sexist remarks accusations on the panel was the highlightlol

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Our manufacturing business was on the slide we'll before the EU , but there is no chance of recreating it with this government or staying in the EU ...

You voted for both though Joe. You'll be coming out and saying that Trump bloke is alright next.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The research community continue to love Brexit

In a week that saw revolt in the UK from a hard-line pro-Brexit faction, the question of how — or whether — the country will work with the EU-27 on science after leaving the bloc next year continues to paralyse researchers.
The enormity of the decision to leave the EU, voted by a majority in the 2016 referendum, still cuts deep for scientists, for whom freedom of movement and cross-border partnerships are indispensable.
“There’s no sense in which I can be optimistic. There is no deal we could possibly negotiate that is as good as what we currently have,” Anne Glover, president of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, told the biennial EuroScience Open Forum in Toulouse on Wednesday.
In the two years since the Brexit vote – a time characterised by confusion and anger – the UK government has struggled to forge a plan for exiting the EU that can satisfy both parliament and the public. This week saw the resignations of two senior government ministers, Brexit secretary David Davis and foreign secretary Boris Johnson, who disagreed with Prime Minister’s latest stab at setting out a negotiating position around which the factions in her cabinet could unite.
Brexit is a “catastrophe people are quite happily moving towards,” Glover said. “If you like soap operas, it’s a good time to be tuning in.”
Certainly, the UK could pay a high price if it completely leaves the orbit of Brussels. In the absence of a deal to keep the UK in the EU’s main research programme, Horizon Europe, the country would require “a complete re-design” of its research system, argues Robert-Jan Smits, former director-general of the European Commission’s research directorate, and now the EU executive’s envoy working on securing open access to scientific journals.
“Think about it – no access to Marie Skłodowska-Curie [research fellowship] actions; would the UK set up its own scheme? Think about collaborative programmes: they are easy to set up if they are just between two countries, but much harder to establish if there are more than two,” he said.
No country has flourished in EU research quite like the UK. EU funds have enabled leading scientists with European Research Council grants to move there to set up their own research groups and helped establish a host of research infrastructures, including the microbiology research programme Instruct, the European Bioinformatics Institute and the European Social Survey (ESS).
The ESS, located at City University London, carries out interviews in 30 countries every two years to measure attitudes and beliefs of European citizens. Instruct, located at Oxford University, is a study into the building blocks of proteins, viruses and cells.
The Joint European Torus in Culham is home to the world's largest fusion reactor and employs some 1,000 people. “Who will pick up the bill?” Smits wanted to know.
After decades of European integration, “We’ve become so entwined that it will be almost impossible to untangle. I think it’s very naïve when I see politicians say they can ‘go global’ and replace European partnerships,” Smits said.
Those who want to keep close ties to the bloc point to the significant return on research investment. The numbers brook little argument: between 2007 and 2013, the UK put €5.4 billion into the EU research pot and was awarded around €8.8 billion. European grants provide about 12 percent of UK universities’ research income, although for some institutions they make up a much bigger share. Universities, as well as companies in research-driven industries like tech, aerospace and pharmaceuticals, are worried about losing access to EU research funding, and have established Brexit mitigation groups.
The Commission’s €94.1 billion proposal for the next research programme, Horizon Europe, to run from 2021, contains the outline of a workable future relationship on science, with the UK as an associate member. But new rules say the country will no longer be able to take more out of the programme than it puts in, and associate countries will be excluded from some aspects, such as the newly created European Innovation Council. That means EU-27 countries should get more research funding because of Brexit.
“Decision making might be easier without the UK at the EU table,” said Glover, noting the UK’s history of putting up various roadblocks on further integration. Easier perhaps, but no one says better. “There will be a significant loss of leadership,” Glover said, with almost one in three EU projects currently run by a lead scientist based in the UK.
The UK government, amid political chaos, is committed to striking a new deal with the EU on science. “Sometimes, with all the political noise you hear, it’s very easy to miss the clear signal that we’re very committed to science and innovation,” said Rebecca Endean, strategy director at UK Research and Innovation, the new organisation set up in April to bring all public research funding under a single umbrella.
As a demonstration of its commitment to research, the UK government has recently announced an increase in national funding.
This is not to offset expected funding loss from the EU, Endean says. “It’s very, very clear we’re investing because we care about science,” she said. “There is no debate about how important science is. What happens next will rely on wider elements of the negotiation. But with science, it’s undisputed; everyone in Britain really wants [a deal with the EU].”
It’s not clear that other EU countries share this eagerness. Croatia’s former science minister, Milena Žic-Fuchs, said she’s “not sure it’s going to be a love story” when countries get round to negotiating research. Universities’ concerns are just one piece of a much larger and horribly complicated puzzle.
“It would be wrong to think science is top of peoples’ agenda,” said Mark Ferguson, head of Science Foundation Ireland, and chief science adviser to the Irish government.
No other country is sweating over the UK’s vote to leave the EU more than Ireland. A hard Brexit – meaning a clean break with the bloc – will reverberate through the island, especially if there is a physical border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
Ireland is worried about forecasts that Brexit could knock up to seven per cent off its GDP, and whether it needs to hire 2,000 customs officials and re-visit dense fishing legislation.
But in research, the country sees opportunities. It is unapologetically vying for a piece of the UK’s science pie. Around 10 per cent of the researchers based in the UK will leave because of Brexit, Ferguson predicts, and he makes no bones about looking to attract some to Ireland. “With Brexit, there is more upside than downside for Irish science,” he said. Already, a handful of science stars have been tempted across the water.
In Smits’ experience, “Not a single university says hurray, hurray, hurray, they’re gone. Quite the contrary,” he said. “But many universities, especially those in Central and Eastern Europe, are desperate for talent, and people will be shopping big time for talent.”
For researchers in the UK, it is hard not to give way to pessimism.
Glover, who at one time served as chief science adviser to the Commission, before her role was controversially abolished, says her country, Scotland, which voted overwhelmingly to remain, is “being dragged out of EU against its will.”
Her solace: “Soon I hope to receive my Irish passport in the post. I’m a European Union citizen and no one is taking that away from me.”

Source: https://sciencebusiness.net/news/two-years-after-brexit-vote-cloud-still-hangs-over-research

 

[orchard]

Wait until Dumpster snubs May for BJ, haha

Stopped clock and all...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Stopped clock and all...

Don't let @Joey66 see, he has a phobia of crystal balls.

 

[orchard]

Has May told him to do one yet?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Has May told him to do one yet?

I'm hoping Philip thumps him or something.

 

[orchard]

I'm hoping Philip thumps him or something.

Hopefully he'll get a very clumsy sommelier and little time there, but there's no excuse for May not responding, not on a personal, but National level.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Trumps latest contribution sounds like it was written by Farage......funny how the S*n got the scoop....not.

Can someone tell me why having parity with the EU with regards to quality standards relating to goods and food would preclude a US trade deal?