Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

I .think most are objecting to voting out with no workable plan.

If remain had won by the same margin - we would have stayed in without any fuss getting shafted even more did remain have a plan?
As the EU would have sized it up and asked for more and more in contributions and more like the Dickens book Oliver "can I have some more without the please.....

 

[Socrates]

Ooooh! Better not let the Remainers watch this! It'll be a case of 'pass me my service revolver and brown trousers'!

Can't type in purple, people, so it's a 'funny'!

I voted remain but the fact is we're not going to.

No matter how disastrous I may think it's going to turn out, it's still going to happen so I'm willing to look at ways to mitigate the disaster.

The EU is a rules based organisation. I see no point in being subject to those rules if we have no say in how they are formed.

So the only choice for me would be to cut ties and negotiate common ground and like the ERM fiasco, it might have a short or even medium term adverse impact but in the long term work to our advantage.

It is mere speculation though, as everything in the future is.

It won't stop me mocking leavers who spout tosh to support what we all have to accept was a gut decision. On both sides.

 

[Joey66]

I .think most are objecting to voting out with no workable plan.

The only plan the remainers the main protagonist had was they would win with no,plan B...
Not the Out voters fault.....

 

[roydo]

The only plan the remainers the main protagonist had was they would win with no,plan B...
Not the Out voters fault.....

Well, it is a little bit. Cos you voted for something you didnt have a clue about.

 

[Joey66]

Well, it is a little bit. Cos you voted for something you didnt have a clue about.

What, after a months campaign on many debates on TV media etc .....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

What, after a months campaign on many debates on TV media etc .....

None of them had the authority to promise anything remember........so you were voting for something that wasn’t defined.

You just wanted to volley the EU, but didn’t know what the alternative would actually look like.

 

[Joey66]

None of them had the authority to promise anything remember........so you were voting for something that wasn’t defined.

You just wanted to volley the EU, but didn’t know what the alternative would actually look like.

Both sides put there arguments over so are you saying the populations of all the segments of the UK just shut their eyes and did dub dib and plonked a x in either box- FGS change your record the government gave students more time to register to vote FGS they were supposed to be nailed on remainers - this fixation that Brexit voters were so and so is just stupidity from bitter remainers- no way did I think the Out vote would win , but the pathetic excuses by you and others is pure ignorance.....

 

[Methuselah]

None of them had the authority to promise anything remember........so you were voting for something that wasn’t defined.

You just wanted to volley the EU, but didn’t know what the alternative would actually look like.

How do you mean 'it wasn't defined'. The vote was to remain or leave the EU. The majority voted to leave, end of.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Both sides put there arguments over so are you saying the populations of all the segments of the UK just shut their eyes and did dub dib and plonked a x in either box- FGS change your record the government gave students more time to register to vote FGS they were supposed to be nailed on remainers - this fixation that Brexit voters were so and so is just stupidity from bitter remainers- no way did I think the Out vote would win , but the pathetic excuses by you and others is pure ignorance.....

Again you confuse opinion with simple fact.

You made a choice either before the campaigns actually started as that was always going to be your choice, or as a result of the Leave campaigns which had the authority to promise nothing. Either way you voted for an undefined future, the only certainty in your decision was that we’d leave the EU. Whether that was going to a good choice was a gut shot.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

How do you mean 'it wasn't defined'. The vote was to remain or leave the EU. The majority voted to leave, end of.

Leave how? A cliff edge no deal? The Norway or Switzerland model? Or a bespoke agreement that May has finally put forward 2 years later?

You had no idea what it’d look like and therefore whether it was likely to be any good or not. You went for the out decision without knowing what the alternative actually was.

Out means out 17.m etc etc...

 

[Joey66]

Again you confuse opinion with simple fact.

You made a choice either before the campaigns actually started as that was always going to be your choice, or as a result of the Leave campaigns which had the authority to promise nothing. Either way you voted for an undefined future, the only certainty in your decision was that we’d leave the EU. Whether that was going to a good choice was a gut shot.

Look over 1 million votes against Remain is more than a gut reaction in a massive turn out if it had been GE constituency wise it would have been a majority government.......
FGS those facts alone make your argument even weaker......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Look over 1 million votes against Remain is more than a gut reaction in a massive turn out if it had been GE constituency wise it would have been a majority government.......
FGS those facts alone make your argument even weaker......

The 1.4m is a fact, but it doesn’t alter a word of what I posted mate.

 

[Joey66]

The 1.4m is a fact, but it doesn’t alter a word of what I posted mate.

So 1.4 million in your weird opinion voted blindly.........lol
Your taking the proverbial here digging a bigger hole with your own shovellol......

 

[orchard]

To be fair, the single market is a capitalists dream as globalisation really needs everyone to be playing by the same rules in order to thrive. That's what the EU provides, whilst also making it super easy for labour and ideas to flow. I dare say nothing would make capitalists happier than the whole world to be covered in a single market. You can argue about what the rules should be, but having common rules is a great thing for markets.

Whilst this is true in most senses, deregulation trumps having universal rules.

 

[orchard]

@Bruce Wayne

With several issues besides the apparent conflict with WTO rules below, Friday looks to have been a Tory party exercise, not an attempt to resolve the Nation's future:


Point 24.

The problem with this solution however is that goods which are declaredon importation as “UK destination” then need to tracked down thesupply chain in order to make sure that they really do end up at a UK consumer. This entails the need for a tracking mechanism in order to track individual goods down supply chains, imposing costs on businesses importing goods for UK consumption and upon their customers who sellon the imported goods in turn. It is most unlikely in any event that the EU would be satisfied that such a system would be sufficient to prevent leakage of goods into the EU. But more fundamentally, it would appear that this system is vulnerable to a successful challenge that it breaches the national treatment principle in GATT Art. III. This is one of the most fundamental principles of the WTO system. WTO Members are not allowed to impose burdens on imported goods (apart from permissible tariffs levied at the point of importation) which treat those goods less favourably than nationally produced goods. The obligation to subject goods imported from WTO Members to burdensome tracking obligations to which nationally produced goods are not subject would appear to besuch a prohibited measure under GATT Art. III