Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

And you had no idea what the EU would look like, and indeed still don’t........

I knew that we had a veto and if anything had changed that we weren’t having e.g. the Euro, it wouldn’t affect us.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The only e motion is what you and I send down our toilets, and that's what you talking by the way....

An emotive and fact free response Joe, nice one lol

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

All futures are undefined, it’s the future......

There’s things called strategies and plans Pete. There was nothing.......absolutely nothing.

People either were always going to vote the way they did, based on their own ideology, or they were sold some mythical dream of a better future minus our EU membership. Either way there was no defined strategy.

Referendums where change is being advocated should always be championed by the party in power, as that way they can define exactly what the strategy would be should the change be backed and they’d have the authority to do so, and also the full responsibility if that championed choice ended up being a crock of the proverbial. The idea of a ‘neutral’ referendum was and always will be nads.

 

[peteblue]

I knew that we had a veto and if anything had changed that we weren’t having e.g. the Euro, it wouldn’t affect us.

They are thinking of removing Poland’s right to vote and veto.......most changes are made under majority vote....even allowing the U.K. to move the leaving date is by majority vote....the voting system is manipulated whenever the EU bureaucracy wishes it to be........

 

[peteblue]

There’s things called strategies and plans Pete. There was nothing.......absolutely nothing.

People either were always going to vote the way they did, based on their own ideology, or they were sold some mythical dream of a better future minus our EU membership. Either way there was no defined strategy.

Referendums where change is being advocated should always be championed by the party in power, as that way they can define exactly what the strategy would be should the change be backed and they’d have the authority to do so, and also the full responsibility if that championed choice ended up being a crock of the proverbial. The idea of a ‘neutral’ referendum was and always will be nads.

I do understand strategies and plans. The EU has lots of them, all designed to create a single United States of Europe...

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

They are thinking of removing Poland’s right to vote and veto.......most changes are made under majority vote....even allowing the U.K. to move the leaving date is by majority vote....the voting system is manipulated whenever the EU bureaucracy wishes it to be........

EU Constitutional decisions require unanimous vote, so that project fear angle dies there.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I do understand strategies and plans. The EU has lots of them, all designed to create a single United States of Europe...

Project fear again......absolutely baseless and if it ever had made it to the table, we could have made a decision to leave then.....

 

[peteblue]

The fact that weakens a few posters argument that brexiteers did not know what they were voting for ........
particularly you........
It looks like we will crash out on WTO terms now.......
Or a new Tory PM or a GE or the EU will reject the latest deal when we see it in its entirety.....

It will be interesting to see how the EU responds. Barnier may well just reject it out of hand, unless Merkel responds to May’s chat the other day and he’s been told otherwise. My guess is that they will say some nice things, then spell out the bits that they will reject, then mention paying some form of ‘access fee’, then raise Gibraltar and fishing.......

 

[peteblue]

EU Constitutional decisions require unanimous vote, so that project fear angle dies there.

Poland may shortly not have one......

 

[peteblue]

Project fear again......absolutely baseless and if it ever had made it to the table, we could have made a decision to leave then.....

Hahahahaha..............of course......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Poland may shortly not have one......

Come back to me when that actually happens

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Hahahahaha..............of course......

No answer then, stunned.

 

[Joey66]

There’s things called strategies and plans Pete. There was nothing.......absolutely nothing.

People either were always going to vote the way they did, based on their own ideology, or they were sold some mythical dream of a better future minus our EU membership. Either way there was no defined strategy.

Referendums where change is being advocated should always be championed by the party in power, as that way they can define exactly what the strategy would be should the change be backed and they’d have the authority to do so, and also the full responsibility if that championed choice ended up being a crock of the proverbial. The idea of a ‘neutral’ referendum was and always will be nads.

So as a Remainer the EU treated Greece brilliantly then.... they now have upset,Italy, Sweden, Hungary , Austria and even Poland please tell me what happens when it all goes Tits up..?....... also remember you have an advantage as you can see into the future.... waiting to see that on the news tonight by the way......

 

[Joey66]

It will be interesting to see how the EU responds. Barnier may well just reject it out of hand, unless Merkel responds to May’s chat the other day and he’s been told otherwise. My guess is that they will say some nice things, then spell out the bits that they will reject, then mention paying some form of ‘access fee’, then raise Gibraltar and fishing.......

The big worry is she has had to make concessions , and if the EU want more they will want it tied up in a treaty which means we have not left one foot in, and one foot out the country will not settle for that.......
Corbyn knows this is his chance to get in with a GE, and that's all Labour are pushing for he would then roll over for the EU and let them tickle is tummy... any Labour leader bar him imo..........

 

[Methuselah]

My view is that the arrogant EU (and even more arrogant Barnier) will reject May's proposal. They will insist on changes which will not be acceptable. We will end up walking away which will hurt us and also hurt the EU. The problem the EU will have is that the intransigence shown by Barnier is going to bounce back on member states. The same member states who are currently at odds with the EU over migration, though that issue will be small beer compared with the effects of a hard Brexit. A major loss of trade for EU countries will be exacerbated by a trade war with the U S of A. I see this playing our over the next 2 or 3 years but the EU elite in Brussels, just like with the migration issue, will find out what it means to be 'accountable'.