Current Affairs EU In or Out

[nsno-chris]

Neither side of the channel is in any way prepared for a ‘no deal’ Brexit. The paper agreed yesterday put an unlimited time frame on our ability to implement their chosen compromise, so it’ll take years for the necessary software and infrastructure to provide a workable alternative.

A ‘no deal’ exit would cripple us, but wouldn’t suit them either, both sides have been using the possibility as leverage, but the threats are hollow imho.

I don’t think for one minute that Mays compromise position has been put together without at least partial agreement on the outline of it already having been informally agreed by the EU. This is a game of charades as her biggest problem so far has been internally and not in Brussels. She’s battered the cabinet into submission, now she’s got to do the same with the more obstinate back benchers in the House, which will prove to be a more difficult challenge imo.

Europe have already begun preparations for a no deal brexit, in fact I’ve mentioned it a couple of months back when I attended about my 4th meeting in Brexit in London. Both Netherlands and France have poured millions into customs officials, some airports have already made amendments for the disembarkment of passengers.

I had a teleconference 2 weeks ago and it was highlighted that Europe have already informed the U.K. that if no deal is agreed that they will be treated as a third country and all imports will be subjected to relevant tariffs. The U.K. on the other hand is only now making preparations (which I am involved with as part of this working group) on dealing woth EU trade following a no deal brexit; they know we do not have the facilities to treat EU has third country (a terminology they not sure if they can even use in relation to the EU) and as such made recommendations to ministers that we accept all EU trade tariff free. This is what we seen yesterday.

The issue with the above is not they have been informally warned by the WTO that day 1 they will be subject to relevant fines for unfair trade deals by showing favouritism to the EU. This is why the EU are likely to reject any proposals like this, they know they hold all the cards

The government have well and truly cocked this up. 6 weeks prior to the Brexit vote we raised the question with our central government agencies regarding continuity plans for a leave vote; Cameron told all ministers that no contingency plans should be put in place because we will not be leaving.

18 months later and we are now, in some areas of government, making plans on how to deal with Brexit and they’re only partially through designing a new system to replace a European one which is critical for animal and human health.

It’s an absolute shambles. I’m not sure if May has or has not got a partial agreement in place, but from where I sit she hasn’t

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Europe have already begun preparations for a no deal brexit, in fact I’ve mentioned it a couple of months back when I attended about my 4th meeting in Brexit in London. Both Netherlands and France have poured millions into customs officials, some airports have already made amendments for the disembarkment of passengers.

I had a teleconference 2 weeks ago and it was highlighted that Europe have already informed the U.K. that if no deal is agreed that they will be treated as a third country and all imports will be subjected to relevant tariffs. The U.K. on the other hand is only now making preparations (which I am involved with as part of this working group) on dealing woth EU trade following a no deal brexit; they know we do not have the facilities to treat EU has third country (a terminology they not sure if they can even use in relation to the EU) and as such made recommendations to ministers that we accept all EU trade tariff free. This is what we seen yesterday.

The issue with the above is not they have been informally warned by the WTO that day 1 they will be subject to relevant fines for unfair trade deals by showing favouritism to the EU. This is why the EU are likely to reject any proposals like this, they know they hold all the cards

The government have well and truly cocked this up. 6 weeks prior to the Brexit vote we raised the question with our central government agencies regarding continuity plans for a leave vote; Cameron told all ministers that no contingency plans should be put in place because we will not be leaving.

18 months later and we are now, in some areas of government, making plans on how to deal with Brexit and they’re only partially through designing a new system to replace a European one which is critical for animal and human health.

It’s an absolute shambles. I’m not sure if May has or has not got a partial agreement in place, but from where I sit she hasn’t

I can believe it mate. The part about there being absolutely no planning for a Leave result is definitely correct as my other half had a meeting at Westminster a couple of weeks after the result and a senior civil servant admitted that there’d be no work done whatsoever before the vote. Not a single piece of paper.

 

[Joey66]

I can believe it mate. The part about there being absolutely no planning for a Leave result is definitely correct as my other half had a meeting at Westminster a couple of weeks after the result and a senior civil servant admitted that there’d be no work done whatsoever before the vote. Not a single piece of paper.

103 pages to come and maybe 45 Tory mps letters to the 1922 committee who knows.......

 

[Old Blue 2]

6 weeks prior to the Brexit vote we raised the question with our central government agencies regarding continuity plans for a leave vote; Cameron told all ministers that no contingency plans should be put in place because we will not be leaving.

I have no reason to doubt what Chris says above.

THERE is where all the mess started, right there...

And then the coward jumped ship...

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We have no need to take rules, and regulations from a expensive bureaucratic mess called the EU -imo our membership just pays the free tarrifs for big businesses who make millions if not billions as a socialist you should be disgusted with that comment....

How exactly does our membership pay for free tariffs for big business who make billions as a direct result? 2 years on and you seemingly still don’t have a clue as to how any of it actually works. You seem to wallow in that ignorance as well, and consistently refuse to even consider the actual facts. Fingers in ears la la stuff.

You still can’t name a single rule and regulation you want rid of either.

Oh and the powdered egg comment was meant to be a joke and be symbolic of your obvious desire to wind back the clock to a supposed ‘better time’, which seems to be a constant amongst your generation. You decided to write your own narrative about it though and get offended, a bit snowflakey imo.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I have no reason to doubt what Chris says above.

THERE is where all the mess started, right there...

And then the coward jumped ship...

Yep, he tried to heal the rift in his own party by gambling with the nations future, and he lost, then ran away to Nice, whilst making 6 figure sums for speaking gigs.

 

[nsno-chris]

I can believe it mate. The part about there being absolutely no planning for a Leave result is definitely correct as my other half had a meeting at Westminster a couple of weeks after the result and a senior civil servant admitted that there’d be no work done whatsoever before the vote. Not a single piece of paper.

It was unreal mate, I think everyone’s mouth dropped and even the chair was a bit embarrassed. But again it’s streched to the last minute, and I lost my [Poor language removed] a bit on the teleconference.

The next few weeks will be interesting, I have another meeting on 2nd August so I’ll report back, but I know there’ll be no update and I’ll have travelled a 4 hour round trip for nothing

 

[nsno-chris]

I have no reason to doubt what Chris says above.

THERE is where all the mess started, right there...

And then the coward jumped ship...

He did, the absolute rat. I’m only an idiot whose trying to unravel a very tiny part of this mess, but for risk management surely an assessment and contingency planning should have been conducted before even calling the referendum. You know, to see if it’s feasible

Sake, I hate that smug bellend

 

[nsno-chris]

We have no need to take rules, and regulations from a expensive bureaucratic mess called the EU -imo our membership just pays the free tarrifs for big businesses .

But Joe we will be, deal or no deal the U.K. will be transposing EU legislation into U.K. legislation and it update it accordingly. We do not have anywhere near the resources to negotiate then rewrite all those pieces of legislation

 

[Joey66]

But Joe we will be, deal or no deal the U.K. will be transposing EU legislation into U.K. legislation and it update it accordingly. We do not have anywhere near the resources to negotiate then rewrite all those pieces of legislation

Look I will go along with any reasonable deal as long as we brexit its a divorce both sides will not get their own way......

 

[Joey66]

How exactly does our membership pay for free tariffs for big business who make billions as a direct result? 2 years on and you seemingly still don’t have a clue as to how any of it actually works. You seem to wallow in that ignorance as well, and consistently refuse to even consider the actual facts. Fingers in ears la la stuff.

You still can’t name a single rule and regulation you want rid of either.

Oh and the powdered egg comment was meant to be a joke and be symbolic of your obvious desire to wind back the clock to a supposed ‘better time’, which seems to be a constant amongst your generation. You decided to write your own narrative about it though and get offended, a bit snowflakey imo.

your a snowball ...... i want sovereignty, and any government who sells us down the river labour or tory will pay the price - it's the political union I hate with the Eu its expensive and unnecessary - if we get a out deal with concessions to then work on in the future fine by me - if its a complete sell out then there may be problems ahead....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yep, he tried to heal the rift in his own party by gambling with the nations future, and he lost, then ran away to Nice, whilst making 6 figure sums for speaking gigs.

Only for none of those who campaigned to leave to step up into the void either. These are the prats we're supposed to be giving back control to.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

He did, the absolute rat. I’m only an idiot whose trying to unravel a very tiny part of this mess, but for risk management surely an assessment and contingency planning should have been conducted before even calling the referendum. You know, to see if it’s feasible

Sake, I hate that smug bellend

The thing I find baffling is that Johnson, Gove et al were senior members of the Cameron government, so they'd have been party to that, and you'd think given that they were going to push to leave should have pushed for some plans to be in place should they win. That absolutely no one, even those who thought leaving was a great idea, did any planning as to what leaving might actually entail is staggering.

 

[orchard]

The thing I find baffling is that Johnson, Gove et al were senior members of the Cameron government, so they'd have been party to that, and you'd think given that they were going to push to leave should have pushed for some plans to be in place should they win. That absolutely no one, even those who thought leaving was a great idea, did any planning as to what leaving might actually entail is staggering.

It's intentional, any detail would split the leave vote as it isn't homogenous.

 

[roydo]

It's intentional, any detail would split the leave vote as it isn't homogenous.

Which returns us back to Point 1.

No one knew what they were voting for because they were never told.