It's not as if fish stocks are in massive decline or anything
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It's not as if fish stocks are in massive decline or anything
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
We had devaluation immediately after the vote, and what happened, our exports went through the roof. There is no problem regarding manufacturers selling to Europe because we will either have free trade or WTO. Because the EU sell far more to us than we do to them, we can use the tariffs collected to reimburse our EU exporters and also make a hefty profit.
The personal debt fear was overcome the day after Brexit.
The economy will grow because we will increase our overall trade, retaining EU trade and creating new in RoW.
No one gives a crap about blue passports, but the fish will add enormously to our GDP.
So what really are the fears......
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...cabinet-has-agreed-at-chequers-brexit-meeting
After a long day of talks at Chequers, the cabinet has agreed what Theresa May hailed as a “collective position for the future of our negotiations” on Brexit. It might yet be modified amid Brussels objections or MPs’ concerns but below is the plan as agreed, as set out in a government statement:
Harmonisation on goods
The statement says the UK will “maintain a common rulebook for all goods” including agricultural products after Brexit, with the UK committing via treaty on continued harmonisation, thus avoiding border friction.
Parliament would have oversight of such rules, it adds, and can choose to not continue harmonisation “recognising that this would have consequences”. However, the proposal says protections in areas such as the environment, employment laws and consumer protection would not fall below current levels.
The arrangement would see looser arrangements for services, with a recognition this will involve less mutual access to markets than currently.
Joint jurisdiction of rules
The plan proposes what is termed a “joint institutional framework” for interpreting UK-EU agreements, to be carried out in each jurisdiction by the respective courts. However, decisions by UK courts would involve “due regard paid to EU case law in areas where the UK continued to apply a common rulebook”.
The system would include joint committees, or binding independent arbitration in the case of disputes, which would have reference to the European court of justice (ECJ) “as the interpreter of EU rules”.
New customs deal
The government statement puts forward the idea of the so-called facilitated customs arrangement, May’s new attempt at a compromise system that could be acceptable to her cabinet Brexiters and to Brussels.
This would see the UK and EU avoid hard borders by being treated as a “combined customs territory”. Under this, the UK would apply domestic tariffs and trade policies for goods intended for the UK, and their EU equivalents for goods heading into the EU.
This would, the document says, let a post-Brexit UK set its own tariffs for trade with the rest of the world without causing border disruption. The statement says the new arrangements would prevent a hard Irish border, ensuring the “backstop” elements of the initial withdrawal agreement would not be needed.
Overall aims
The statement ends by saying the plans, along with details to be set out in next week’s planned white paper, represent “a precise and responsible approach to the final stage of the negotiations”, giving frictionless trade in goods along with regulatory flexibility for services.
The plan, it adds, would still give the UK an independent trade policy, with the ability to set its own non-EU tariffs and to reach separate trade deals. It also promises to end the role of the ECJ in UK affairs.
Such a deal would end the automatic free movement of people into the UK from the EU but include a “mobility framework” allowing easy movement for work or study.
What it will really mean
Beyond whatever objections and modifications the EU might present, the statement is broad enough to be open to significant interpretation by ministers of various Brexit hues, not to mention backbench Conservative MPs.
While the plan states it has not breached any of May’s stated red lines, it is a distinctly soft variant of the proposed Brexits on offer and, even if it is not amended or ditched, outside pressure could place different interpretations on the terms stated. This is version one.
After a long day of talks at Chequers, the cabinet has agreed what Theresa May hailed as a “collective position for the future of our negotiations” on Brexit. It might yet be modified amid Brussels objections or MPs’ concerns but below is the plan as agreed, as set out in a government statement:
Harmonisation on goods
The statement says the UK will “maintain a common rulebook for all goods” including agricultural products after Brexit, with the UK committing via treaty on continued harmonisation, thus avoiding border friction.
Parliament would have oversight of such rules, it adds, and can choose to not continue harmonisation “recognising that this would have consequences”. However, the proposal says protections in areas such as the environment, employment laws and consumer protection would not fall below current levels.
The arrangement would see looser arrangements for services, with a recognition this will involve less mutual access to markets than currently.
Joint jurisdiction of rules
The plan proposes what is termed a “joint institutional framework” for interpreting UK-EU agreements, to be carried out in each jurisdiction by the respective courts. However, decisions by UK courts would involve “due regard paid to EU case law in areas where the UK continued to apply a common rulebook”.
The system would include joint committees, or binding independent arbitration in the case of disputes, which would have reference to the European court of justice (ECJ) “as the interpreter of EU rules”.
New customs deal
The government statement puts forward the idea of the so-called facilitated customs arrangement, May’s new attempt at a compromise system that could be acceptable to her cabinet Brexiters and to Brussels.
This would see the UK and EU avoid hard borders by being treated as a “combined customs territory”. Under this, the UK would apply domestic tariffs and trade policies for goods intended for the UK, and their EU equivalents for goods heading into the EU.
This would, the document says, let a post-Brexit UK set its own tariffs for trade with the rest of the world without causing border disruption. The statement says the new arrangements would prevent a hard Irish border, ensuring the “backstop” elements of the initial withdrawal agreement would not be needed.
Overall aims
The statement ends by saying the plans, along with details to be set out in next week’s planned white paper, represent “a precise and responsible approach to the final stage of the negotiations”, giving frictionless trade in goods along with regulatory flexibility for services.
The plan, it adds, would still give the UK an independent trade policy, with the ability to set its own non-EU tariffs and to reach separate trade deals. It also promises to end the role of the ECJ in UK affairs.
Such a deal would end the automatic free movement of people into the UK from the EU but include a “mobility framework” allowing easy movement for work or study.
What it will really mean
Beyond whatever objections and modifications the EU might present, the statement is broad enough to be open to significant interpretation by ministers of various Brexit hues, not to mention backbench Conservative MPs.
While the plan states it has not breached any of May’s stated red lines, it is a distinctly soft variant of the proposed Brexits on offer and, even if it is not amended or ditched, outside pressure could place different interpretations on the terms stated. This is version one.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
And the devaluation had what affect on the cost of imports i.e. my point?
“They need us more than we need them” yawn. They don’t.
Personal debt ceased to be an issue the day after the vote? What kind of Brexit sorcery was this?
Every study and forecast has concluded that the economy will suffer, even the Brexiteers admit it ffs.
Fish will add ‘enormously’ to our GDP, care to quantify that enormity and put a timescale on it?
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
Anyway, it appears that Brexit means Brexit really meant Brexit means sort of the same but called different names.
It means what most of us here on both sides predicted at the beginning of all this a fudge more to do with keeping a government in power than getting a decent deal for us,
Then again that's how it all started really isn't it.
EU policy seen to that.......
We are leaving ....
No throwing good dead fish back in because they don't qualify for the stupid EU rules...
Also when we get our waters back to stop the hoover fishing from EU countries....
Equals our control.....
In time we will get this.....
Clutching straws now FLHDlol
Well hopefully before all the fish are gone.
Under current proposals the UK will only get an additional 6 mile increase in its fisheries iirc ?
For starters.....
Any way the EU without seeing the white paper have already rejected it........
On Monday they will reject most proposals if not all if we threaten to walk away only then will the bully boys will,be pressured by other member states to sort it out they have more to lose than us and the divorce monies.......
"they" as in the other 27 countries, really dont have more to lose Joey. That's pretty much a daily mail / telegraph untruth. It's very hard to see the upside of brexit for more than a handful of already obnoxiously wealthy few.
It's one of those quotes that has trotted out verbatim but betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of economics. Unsurprisingly, in absolute terms 27 countries sell more to the UK than the UK does to them. The key however is that some 40% of UK exports go to the EU, which is a much larger portion of our economy than any of the 27 other EU nations. That's why it matters much more to us than to them.
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