Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Old Blue 2]

Time for another song!

 

[Number_25]

If the whole country had got behind Brexit we would have had the power to get a good deal. Any second-rate compromise deal, as a result of 'remoaners' working against the democratic vote of the country, can hardly be called 'common sense'.

The most democratic thing of all is voicing an alternative view on an issue.

Pragmatism is what makes democracy work, and I say that from (what many may state is an extreme) left position.

 

[Methuselah]

The most democratic thing of all is voicing an alternative view on an issue.

Pragmatism is what makes democracy work, and I say that from (what many may state is an extreme) left position.

'The most democratic thing of all is voicing an alternative view on an issue'. You mean like trying to overturn a democratic vote? It will be trying to overturn general election votes next. Some democracy. Mind you, it is the EU's view of 'democracy' - if the vote doesn't go your way then vote again 'till it does.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If the whole country had got behind Brexit we would have had the power to get a good deal. Any second-rate compromise deal, as a result of 'remoaners' working against the democratic vote of the country, can hardly be called 'common sense'.

Maybe leave campaigners should have mentioned that their fairy land only existed if those who thought them idiots got behind them. Bit of a shame they aren't good enough to do it themselves isn't it? We can wipe your bottom to if you like?

 

[Number_25]

'The most democratic thing of all is voicing an alternative view on an issue'. You mean like trying to overturn a democratic vote? It will be trying to overturn general election votes next. Some democracy. Mind you, it is the EU's view of 'democracy' - if the vote doesn't go your way then vote again 'till it does.

I've been a Labour party member/activist since 2007, and have spent ~80% of that time campaigning for an alternative government.

Differing opinions are what makes a democracy work.

As this was a referendum, it wouldn't be right to have a second vote on the issue - I agree with you there. All I'm suggesting is that a large proportion of the country didn't want to leave the EU, so there needs to be some middle ground when it comes to actually delivering on what a slim majority of the population voted for.

 

[roydo]

All I'm suggesting is that a large proportion of the country didn't want to leave the EU, so there needs to be some middle ground when it comes to actually delivering on what a slim majority of the population voted for.

Trouble is, there wasnt, and isnt, a single reason that everyone who voted to leave share. Other than leaving.

So, without knowing what are the principle reason(s) for the Leave vote were, how can a deal be constructed that will be agreeable to the "winners" in all this?

Is a mess, and if you care to visit the vaults, plenty, me included, suggested it would be.

But hey, get to make our own rules and control our borders. Dont we?

 

[Methuselah]

Maybe leave campaigners should have mentioned that their fairy land only existed if those who thought them idiots got behind them. Bit of a shame they aren't good enough to do it themselves isn't it? We can wipe your bottom to if you like?

The only 'idiots' are those remainers who ignore history. What was once a 'common market' has morphed into the bureaucratic nightmare that we see today. At every step of the way the EU denied it was going to happen. All done by stealth. There is already talk of a European army and a change to voting rules to prevent member countries from being able to veto. Gorbachov summed it up when he said that the West spent most of the last century getting rid of the Soviet Union only to replace it with the European Union.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

What was once a 'common market' has morphed into the bureaucratic nightmare that we see today. At every step of the way the EU denied it was going to happen

There is no intention its a natural conclusion. There are elements that need reform, like using freedom movement of peoples as just economic widgets for business.

There is already talk of a European army and a change to voting rules to prevent member countries from being able to veto. Gorbachov summed it up when he said that the West spent most of the last century getting rid of the Soviet Union only to replace it with the European Union.

Trust Russia... Besides America wants out of NATO has for a number of Presidents just some shout it louder than others, I digress. American influence and control of NATO is slowly being handed over to other nations. Its all in the NATO archives.

And this is where Brexit falls flat on its backside and its always the Geopolitcs.

 

[Yoda]

Out...

 

[Joey66]

Out...

OR remoaners when they get beat in the EU vote lol

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

If the whole country had got behind Brexit we would have had the power to get a good deal. Any second-rate compromise deal, as a result of 'remoaners' working against the democratic vote of the country, can hardly be called 'common sense'.

That’s such a nonsense argument. We’ve been telling you it’s a crap idea since before the vote and why the deal we end up with will be worse than the one we already had. Yet leavers are suddenly trying to turn it on it’s head and make out that when that reality hits it’ll somehow be the fault of those who were on the side of Remain for pointing out the insanity of the entire idea, and thus not ‘believing enough’. It’s absolute twaddle.

No mate, when the reality eventually dawns the blame will firmly and squarely sit with those who chose to take us down this path.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I don't have to listen because any presenter who belittles any person should not be listened too whatever their political persuasion is - the mans a know it all bigot - if he on holiday the listening figures must boom, he has a band of ignorant followers imo who like listening to bullies who can control the mike if he has been ever getting beat - he shuts them off.....
Did he ever tell you he was adopted.... yawn......

He’s won broadcaster of the year mate, and his audience is growing.

The irony of you labelling him a bigot whilst openly admitting that you didn’t even listen to the clip I posted, as you simply wouldn’t as you don’t agree with him, is funny.

I can understand why you’d find his show uncomfortable listening though, as he deals in facts. He only interupts and shuts people down when they quote misguided subjective opinion as being fact. He asks people to explain what they say and quantify the soundbites they invariably spout. The Brexiteers rarely can, as seemingly most of their ideology is belief based it seems.

 

[abelard]

No mate, when the reality eventually dawns the blame will firmly and squarely sit with those who chose to take us down this path.

We should announce that as of today, all funding for pensions and Benefits for the Elderly will be tied to the size of the Brexit Dividend.

I expect it would have an immediate clarifying effect.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We should announce that as of today, all funding for pensions and Benefits for the Elderly will be tied to the size of the Brexit Dividend.

I expect it would have an immediate clarifying effect.

I’ve noticed that of late, any funding shortfalls that will require additional borrowing or increased taxation in order to address them, has resulted in the finger being pointed at the overseas aid budget.

Stop funding overseas aid for the poorest regions on the planet, as per the 0.7% of GDP recommended by the UN in the 70’s as the figure developed countries should be contributing. Bin that off, is what Brexiteers like Rees Mogg are now suggesting, stuff ‘em, lets keep the taxation levels of the wealthiest in our society where they are, and fund our budget shortfalls with money intended to assist with famine, urgent medical needs, education and contraception in the third World.

Brexit - a vote against the establishment.

 

[peteblue]

We should announce that as of today, all funding for pensions and Benefits for the Elderly will be tied to the size of the Brexit Dividend.

I expect it would have an immediate clarifying effect.

I’ve noticed that of late, any funding shortfalls that will require additional borrowing or increased taxation in order to address them, has resulted in the finger being pointed at the overseas aid budget.

Stop funding overseas aid for the poorest regions on the planet, as per the 0.7% of GDP recommended by the UN in the 70’s as the figure developed countries should be contributing. Bin that off, is what Brexiteers like Rees Mogg are now suggesting, stuff ‘em, lets keep the taxation levels of the wealthiest in our society where they are, and fund our budget shortfalls with money intended to assist with famine, urgent medical needs, education and contraception in the third World.

Brexit - a vote against the establishment.

Some real bottom of the barrel arguments here....it’s all the fault of pensioners and Brexiteers are trying to starve the third world........